Dylann Roof sentenced to death for church slayings

[Dashinka 24,767]

56 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

Yes, because if you had read some of the links I posted earlier the US prison system suck and we're going to have repeat offenders. Because we put them into overcrowded prisons that every American seems to think are some kind of heaven where everyone gets treated so well when in reality they don't. So if we have a crappy prison system it's logic to think that recidivism is going to be high. 

That seems off, why would someone subject to a crappy prison want to go back?

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5 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

That seems off, why would someone subject to a crappy prison want to go back?

Because the US prison system doesn't focus on rehabilitation which means that someone might get sentence at 18, get out at like 35-40 and have no idea how to behave as an adult because their maturity level is still at the age of 18. They have a really hard time getting back into society. Most of them live in poor neighborhoods with their old friends and can get out of it so they end up back with their old friends and old habits. 

 

It's not about wanting to go back, it's just what happens when you're dealt crappy cards and with a prison system that is messed up. 

[Dashinka 24,767]

1 hour ago, Unidentified said:

Because the US prison system doesn't focus on rehabilitation which means that someone might get sentence at 18, get out at like 35-40 and have no idea how to behave as an adult because their maturity level is still at the age of 18. They have a really hard time getting back into society. Most of them live in poor neighborhoods with their old friends and can get out of it so they end up back with their old friends and old habits. 

 

It's not about wanting to go back, it's just what happens when you're dealt crappy cards and with a prison system that is messed up. 

But not everyone gets a 15-20 year sentence at 18.  How do we explain the recidivism of those convicted in their 30s?  There is also the question of child molesters or pedophiles, the recidivism rate of those convicts appears very high.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

There ARE people who repent and do better after prison.  Probably the non-violent folks are the most likely.  But a pedophile will not change his inner feelings IMO, nor will a rapist.  Setting them free usually results in more victims.

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51 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

But not everyone gets a 15-20 year sentence at 18.  How do we explain the recidivism of those convicted in their 30s?  There is also the question of child molesters or pedophiles, the recidivism rate of those convicts appears very high.

I wish I had brought my Criminology book with me to the US and I could probably have looked that up. There's a bunch of different factors, I am going to try and see if I can find some good sources. 

[Póg mo 1,749]

3 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

That seems off, why would someone subject to a crappy prison want to go back?

Mmm, let me think. Why would someone with no prospects, zero wealth choose prison over a life time of menial jobs that often don't even pay enough to cover rent? I can't think of anything, can you??

[Dashinka 24,767]

57 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Mmm, let me think. Why would someone with no prospects, zero wealth choose prison over a life time of menial jobs that often don't even pay enough to cover rent? I can't think of anything, can you??

They’re lazy?

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[Unidentified 2,930]

2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

They’re lazy?

No because they came from a poor neighborhood and was released into a poor neighborhood and has 0 change of getting out. 

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1 minute ago, Unidentified said:

No because they came from a poor neighborhood and was released into a poor neighborhood and has 0 change of getting out. 

There are a lot of folks that come from nothing and don’t turn out to be criminals, but instead become successful.  Is it harder, sure, but it is possible, and not just for the privileged lottery winners.

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6 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

There are a lot of folks that come from nothing and don’t turn out to be criminals, but instead become successful.  Is it harder, sure, but it is possible, and not just for the privileged lottery winners.

plenty of successful criminals, take the prezzy for example..

[Unidentified 2,930]

2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

There are a lot of folks that come from nothing and don’t turn out to be criminals, but instead become successful.  Is it harder, sure, but it is possible, and not just for the privileged lottery winners.

Correct. Because there are different risk factors for who commits crime. You can have one risk factor (like living in a crappy neighborhood) and never commit crimes. But if you have that risk factor together with other risk factors your chances are much higher that you'll be committing crimes or for recidivism. 

 

Imagine you've lived your whole life in a poor neighborhood. You're dad has been out of prison, your mom barely made it through high school and is now working hard to provide for you and your siblings. You have friends who are drug addicts and shoplifters. One day you tag along with your friends who decides to upgrade their shop lifting to armed robbery. You end up in prison. Once you're out, you're back into the same old neighborhood with your same old friends and you still have no money and your chances of getting a job are pretty slim. What will you end up doing? You'll go back to being with your friends. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, Unidentified said:

Correct. Because there are different risk factors for who commits crime. You can have one risk factor (like living in a crappy neighborhood) and never commit crimes. But if you have that risk factor together with other risk factors your chances are much higher that you'll be committing crimes or for recidivism. 

 

Imagine you've lived your whole life in a poor neighborhood. You're dad has been out of prison, your mom barely made it through high school and is now working hard to provide for you and your siblings. You have friends who are drug addicts and shoplifters. One day you tag along with your friends who decides to upgrade their shop lifting to armed robbery. You end up in prison. Once you're out, you're back into the same old neighborhood with your same old friends and you still have no money and your chances of getting a job are pretty slim. What will you end up doing? You'll go back to being with your friends. 

Wow its just like CHEST