Dylann Roof sentenced to death for church slayings

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18 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    My neighbor years ago did time in federal prison. It can be a hell of a deterrent to those who are in and released. Guy was straight as an arrow after that and some unbelievable stories of what goes on in there. I don't think people would want to end up there just for the free food and health care, but perhaps it's not enough of a deterrent to those who don't know how bad it is.

 

    

 

   

I actually ( unfortunately) was related to someone who spent most of his adult life in and out of prison. It made him depressed, but he didn't learn anything. After he came out of prison he started all over again, only this time he did even worse things. He never ever showed remorse for the horrible things he did to others.

 

My best friend worked for years in a penitentiary, she is now a detective, but the things she has seen there were horrible. Not because of the circumstances, but what the criminals did to each other. 

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4 hours ago, Unidentified said:

Nope. We should release first time non-violent drug offenders who get life sentences after getting caught with drugs 1 time and have life sentences reserved for guys like him instead. 

You care to share with us the long list of non violent first time offenders caught with drugs are given the death penality

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28 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

You care to share with us the long list of non violent first time offenders caught with drugs are given the death penality

Nope I can't because the US doesn't (yet) give anyone the death penalty for drug offenders. But if you look a bit further than my post (page 2 I believe) someone is giving some examples of non violent first time drug use offenders who have been sentenced to life in prison. I also recommend google. 

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2 hours ago, -Trinity- said:

I actually ( unfortunately) was related to someone who spent most of his adult life in and out of prison. It made him depressed, but he didn't learn anything. After he came out of prison he started all over again, only this time he did even worse things. He never ever showed remorse for the horrible things he did to others.

 

My best friend worked for years in a penitentiary, she is now a detective, but the things she has seen there were horrible. Not because of the circumstances, but what the criminals did to each other. 

A lot of times when people spend most of their adult life in prison they don't do well as no one has taught them how to behave in society. It is also easier for them to be in jail than on the outside because a) that's what they're used to and b) society is not very forgiving. 

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28 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

Nope I can't because the US doesn't (yet) give anyone the death penalty for drug offenders. But if you look a bit further than my post (page 2 I believe) someone is giving some examples of non violent first time drug use offenders who have been sentenced to life in prison. I also recommend google. 

people do not get life sentence for first time drug possession 

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8 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

people do not get life sentence for first time drug possession 

Do some reason my friend and you'll be surprised. Currently 3000+ Americans are serving Life without parole different non violent crimes.

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34 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

A lot of times when people spend most of their adult life in prison they don't do well as no one has taught them how to behave in society. It is also easier for them to be in jail than on the outside because a) that's what they're used to and b) society is not very forgiving. 

The problem I have with that is; what about personal responsibility?

Even if society hasn't taught a person how to behave, allot can be learned through self education.

 

A lot of people do dumb stuff when they are younger, but when they get caught the shame and embarrassed is to much, so they better their lives.

 

Other people just continue doing what they are doing, regardless if they know what they are doing is wrong.

 

The person I was referring to, was my ex brother in law. His father was a cop, his mom Mrs Martha Stewart herself. His other brothers , my late husband included, were raised exactly the same, but he got in trouble at the age of 16, while his brothers were doing  great. He is 40+ now and as far as I know ( I cut him out of my life after I learned what he has done) he is still living the same life. He knows what he did is wrong, but he has no regrets or remorse.

 

I don't think society should be forgiving to people like that.

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12 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

Do some reason my friend and you'll be surprised. Currently 3000+ Americans are serving Life without parole different non violent crimes.

My biggest issue with the death sentence and life sentence, is that sometimes innocent people get sentenced, and after decades it turns out they were innocent.

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Just now, -Trinity- said:

The problem I have with that is; what about personal responsibility?

Even if society hasn't taught a person how to behave, allot can be learned through self education.

 

A lot of people do dumb stuff when they are younger, but when they get caught the shame and embarrassed is to much, so they better their lives.

 

Other people just continue doing what they are doing, regardless if they know what they are doing is wrong.

 

The person I was referring to, was my ex brother in law. His father was a cop, his mom Mrs Martha Stewart herself. His other brothers , my late husband included, were raised exactly the same, but he got in trouble at the age of 16, while his brothers were doing  great. He is 40+ now and as far as I know ( I cut him out of my life after I learned what he has done) he is still living the same life. He knows what he did is wrong, but he has no regrets or remorse.

 

I don't think society should be forgiving to people like that.

Everyone is different and I totally get your feelings. What I am wondering is, would things be different for a lot felons if prisons would focus more on rehabilitating people (educating them, provide better ways to ditch drugs etc)?

Just now, -Trinity- said:

My biggest issue with the death sentence and life sentence, is that sometimes innocent people get sentenced, and after decades it turns out they were innocent.

Totally agree. 

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2 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

Everyone is different and I totally get your feelings. What I am wondering is, would things be different for a lot felons if prisons would focus more on rehabilitating people (educating them, provide better ways to ditch drugs etc)?

Totally agree. 

I'm not sure, this was in the Netherlands btw.They have very soft sentences compared with America, and as far as I know they coach them after they leave prison. 

 

Is there a country where they rehabilitate successfully? 

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6 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

I'm not sure, this was in the Netherlands btw.They have very soft sentences compared with America, and as far as I know they coach them after they leave prison. 

 

Is there a country where they rehabilitate successfully? 

That's a very good question. I know the Nordic puts a lot of effort into their rehab program but I am not sure if they are successful or not. Definitely worth researching! I believe Norway might be successful. I'll look into it. 

 

Edit: article about Norway: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12

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20 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

That's a very good question. I know the Nordic puts a lot of effort into their rehab program but I am not sure if they are successful or not. Definitely worth researching! I believe Norway might be successful. I'll look into it. 

 

Edit: article about Norway: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12

That's interesting, I have to look into that more, but i'm wondering if the low rate is due to the efforts they put into it. Or that they always had a low crime rate.

 

Another interesting fact BTW is that in the Netherlands they want to less incarcerate. They actually closed down a couple notorious penitentiaries, and turned them into hotels...

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Just now, -Trinity- said:

That's interesting, I have to look into that more, but i'm wondering if the low rate is due to the efforts they put into it. Or that they always had a low crime rate.

 

Another interesting fact BTW is that in the Netherlands they want to less incarcerate. They actually closed down a couple notorious penitentiaries, and turned them into hotels...

Yes, it would be interesting to know if it has always been low or if it's an effect of their efforts or combination. Since they do say that people usually serve a sentence one and then don't come back. I saw that there was a show on Netflix about a warden from a Norwegian prison going to an American prison. Haven't watched it yet though but it seems interesting. 

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As I said before, some people learn from their mistakes, but most do not.

Source: https://www.nij.gov/topics/corrections/recidivism/Pages/welcome.aspx 

 

You know who doesn’t do mass shootings a second time, or rape a young girl once they are set free?  Dead perps.  Every time I hear that the perp kills himself or the cops do, I think it is a pretty good thing, overall.

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8 hours ago, IDWAF said:

As I said before, some people learn from their mistakes, but most do not.

Source: https://www.nij.gov/topics/corrections/recidivism/Pages/welcome.aspx 

 

You know who doesn’t do mass shootings a second time, or rape a young girl once they are set free?  Dead perps.  Every time I hear that the perp kills himself or the cops do, I think it is a pretty good thing, overall.

Yes, because if you had read some of the links I posted earlier the US prison system suck and we're going to have repeat offenders. Because we put them into overcrowded prisons that every American seems to think are some kind of heaven where everyone gets treated so well when in reality they don't. So if we have a crappy prison system it's logic to think that recidivism is going to be high.