Dylann Roof sentenced to death for church slayings

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 hour ago, Unidentified said:

Nope. We should release first time non-violent drug offenders who get life sentences after getting caught with drugs 1 time and have life sentences reserved for guys like him instead. 

agreed.

[yuna628 9,712]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

What first time drug offender gets a life sentence?

 

Many persons actually. I could dig up some cases if you'd like. Some of them are pretty ridiculous.

[Dashinka 24,767]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

Many persons actually. I could dig up some cases if you'd like. Some of them are pretty ridiculous.

For simple possession, or for trafficking/dealing?

[yuna628 9,712]

2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

For simple possession, or for trafficking/dealing?

Well Hamerlin vs Michigan was a possession case that resulted in life without parole, went all the way to SCOTUS way back when.

Brant's simple conspiracy drug charge resulted in life, which Obama commuted.

Sharanda Jones was indicted on 7 counts of conspiracy to traffic... her first offense, was found not guilty on all but one charge (which prosecution ramped up) and put in for life... Obama also commuted (in fact a great deal of the hundreds granted were these type of first time offender drugs life sentences).

There's many more cases you can pull up through google, plenty of cases - some have turned their lives around but have no chance of ever getting out. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/13/life-without-parole_n_4256789.html

[-Trinity- 513]

1 hour ago, Unidentified said:

Why? For what? What's the purpose? Would it make you feel better? The victims family?

Actually, right after the shooting, the family of the victims forgave him.

I don't know how they did it, I couldn't, but they did.

 

About the death sentence, my thoughts are ambivalent about it. One hand I think criminals like this get away easily with what they have done, it's the survivors who have a life sentence. But on the other hand I'm thinking they get to live, and have all kinds of rights, and their victims don't.

 

I wish there was a really good and painful punishment for murderers like this.

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

5 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

Actually, right after the shooting, the family of the victims forgave him.

I don't know how they did it, I couldn't, but they did.

 

About the death sentence, my thoughts are ambivalent about it. One hand I think criminals like this get away easily with what they have done, it's the survivors who have a life sentence. But on the other hand I'm thinking they get to live, and have all kinds of rights, and their victims don't.

 

I wish there was a really good and painful punishment for murderers like this.

 

survivors have a life sentence no matter what. execution is a pass. if he was put to death tomorrow, no matter how painful that death is  - death is still the ultimate escape. i guess if a person believes roof will go to hell it seems more like a punishment. but as someone who doesn't believe in afterlife, he can only be punished so long as he is alive.

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24 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

survivors have a life sentence no matter what. execution is a pass. if he was put to death tomorrow, no matter how painful that death is  - death is still the ultimate escape. i guess if a person believes roof will go to hell it seems more like a punishment. but as someone who doesn't believe in afterlife, he can only be punished so long as he is alive.

Yeah as I said, it's difficult. I don't think I would be able to live with either one of them if a beloved one was killed.

 

I guess that has to do with the fact that whatever the outcome is, it won't bring them back.

But what is the justice if the killer of your beloved one gets to live, and has all kind of rights? 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, Unidentified said:

No one deserves to die. The death penalty is not a deterrent and it doesn't bring closure to the families. To kill someone to fill a void is pointless. 

An eye for an eye.  Those innocent people that were murdered by this racist, white supremacist thug deserved better.  Their families deserved better.  He killed, and if given another chance, I believe he would kill again.  No amount of time in prison will change that, for the most part.

 

The death penalty USED to be a deterrent.  But nowadays, it is not.  If I kill someone, I can rest pretty easy knowing I will get housed, fed, and treated medically for the rest of my life.  THAT is not a deterrent at all.

 

Killing him does not fill a void, except the void left in the taxpayers’ pockets for having to support this piece of trash.  Why should the families of those killed be forced to pay for him to live?

[smilesammich 10,727]

8 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

Yeah as I said, it's difficult. I don't think I would be able to live with either one of them if a beloved one was killed.

 

I guess that has to do with the fact that whatever the outcome is, it won't bring them back.

But what is the justice if the killer of your beloved one gets to live, and has all kind of rights? 

i don't think being imprisoned for life is exactly having all kinds of rights, or really even living. it's only my opinion, but even a serial murderer's death doesn't bring justice for anyone. 

[Unidentified 2,930]

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

What first time drug offender gets a life sentence?

Why not let the victim families decide?

Psychology studies have shown that only about 2.5% of co-victims (victims family as well as the family of the accused) felt closure as a result of a capital punishment. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

7 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

An eye for an eye.  Those innocent people that were murdered by this racist, white supremacist thug deserved better.  Their families deserved better.  He killed, and if given another chance, I believe he would kill again.  No amount of time in prison will change that, for the most part.

 

The death penalty USED to be a deterrent.  But nowadays, it is not.  If I kill someone, I can rest pretty easy knowing I will get housed, fed, and treated medically for the rest of my life.  THAT is not a deterrent at all.

 

Killing him does not fill a void, except the void left in the taxpayers’ pockets for having to support this piece of trash.  Why should the families of those killed be forced to pay for him to live?

 

    My neighbor years ago did time in federal prison. It can be a hell of a deterrent to those who are in and released. Guy was straight as an arrow after that and some unbelievable stories of what goes on in there. I don't think people would want to end up there just for the free food and health care, but perhaps it's not enough of a deterrent to those who don't know how bad it is.

 

    

 

   

[Sonea 138]

2 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Leave him alone for half an hour in a room with the parents whose kids he killed.

He killed mostly middle aged people or older (I suppose some may still have parents alive).

 

I think a more appropriate sentence would have been life in prison with some sort of community service directed towards african american populations.

[-Trinity- 513]

16 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i don't think being imprisoned for life is exactly having all kinds of rights, or really even living. it's only my opinion, but even a serial murderer's death doesn't bring justice for anyone. 

The right to get medical help? The right to speak with a pastor, imam or rabi? The right to eat, and sleep. The right to get a lawyer who will defend him, even when it's clear that he committed a heinous act?

I think that's more then the victims ever get.

 

It doesn't bring justice as in; the person is not going to be brought back. But I believe it would bring closure, something most survivors want and deserve.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

12 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    My neighbor years ago did time in federal prison. It can be a hell of a deterrent to those who are in and released. Guy was straight as an arrow after that and some unbelievable stories of what goes on in there. I don't think people would want to end up there just for the free food and health care, but perhaps it's not enough of a deterrent to those who don't know how bad it is.

 

    

 

   

I know there are cases like that; have talked to a couple my own self.  But overall, studies of recividism don’t show much promise.  

 

I may be in the minority for the death penalty here, but I also don’t think it’s very humane the way some prisoners are treated within, especially by the guards.  In that respect, some DO pay a lifetime for their crimes.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, -Trinity- said:

The right to get medical help? The right to speak with a pastor, imam or rabi? The right to eat, and sleep. The right to get a lawyer who will defend him, even when it's clear that he committed a heinous act?

I think that's more then the victims ever get.

 

It doesn't bring justice as in; the person is not going to be brought back. But I believe it would bring closure, something most survivors want and deserve.

none of those rights disappear when on death row.

 

statistically speaking, execution doesn't bring closure often. https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/6539