California to sue Trump admin over citizenship question in 2020 census

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2 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

I suggest taking the exam and working for a segment on the 2020 Census. I did for the 2010 Census. It’s a real eye opener. 

What exam are you referring to, and what does "working for a segment" mean?

[Dashinka 24,811]

3 minutes ago, RLA said:

What exam are you referring to, and what does "working for a segment" mean?

I assume he is talking about being a census taker.

 

@spookyturtle I imagine it can be a real eye opener.

[Dashinka 24,811]

9 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

It was meant to show that the US used data to round up citizens, so the precedent has been set that the same could happen with gun register data. Poorly worded response on my part. 

 

I have have no doubt illegals will avoid the census no matter what, maybe more so with the citizenship question. But like with all census questions, one need not answer. I suggest taking the exam and working for a segment on the 2020 Census. I did for the 2010 Census. It’s a real eye opener. 

I think a lot of folks (legal, illegal, and citizen alike) avoid the census. 

[spookyturtle 9,466]

1 minute ago, RLA said:

What exam are you referring to, and what does "working for a segment" mean?

There is a test given at the start of recruitment for the census. This is how they chose the workers. If you are picked, there are various parts of the process. Address canvassing is near the beginning, workers go out street by street, house by house checking addresses against a master list, adding and deleting where necessary. Then there is a group quarters segment, prisons, etc. Then there is a follow up for people who don’t send in the questionnaires. Perhaps in 2020 it will be possible to reply via computer, in 2010 it wasn’t. 

[spookyturtle 9,466]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

I think a lot of folks (legal, illegal, and citizen alike) avoid the census. 

Lots of people avoided it, yet your response is required by law.  It is important because the data is used for Congressional seats among other things. It’s interesting to work it. 

[Dashinka 24,811]

1 hour ago, spookyturtle said:

Lots of people avoided it, yet your response is required by law.  It is important because the data is used for Congressional seats among other things. It’s interesting to work it. 

It is required by law, but the penalty for not doing it is almost unenforceable.  It is kind of like the law that you have to yield to emergency vehicles, technically a driver can get a traffic ticket for not yielding, but what LEO on their way to a potentially more serious incident will stop to write it up, also, FDs and Ambulances don't have the power to issue citations. 

 

 

[jg121783 3,921]

5 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

Lots of people avoided it, yet your response is required by law.  It is important because the data is used for Congressional seats among other things. It’s interesting to work it. 

You are required by law to answer how many eligible voters live in your house. You are NOT required by law to answer any other questions (including your name).

[spookyturtle 9,466]

19 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

You are required by law to answer how many eligible voters live in your house. You are NOT required by law to answer any other questions (including your name).

Not true. 

[Sonea 138]

6 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Not really sure that is a valid comparison.  Weren't the Japanese that FDR rounded up Citizens, or LPRs? 

Yes, I doubt many were here illegally.

 

Personally, I think CA is reaching here. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 hours ago, jg121783 said:

You are required by law to answer how many eligible voters live in your house. You are NOT required by law to answer any other questions (including your name).

I got some crazy extended version of the census. It wanted to know things like, How many commodes I had , how many computers I had etc.

 

I got several threatening letters. Never did fill it out. TMI

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

Not true. 

I think it might be more true to say that, no one has been prosecuted, so there has been no real test

[spookyturtle 9,466]

18 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I think it might be more true to say that, no one has been prosecuted, so there has been no real test

This is true. I doubt anyone has been prosecuted or fined, but it is still a violation of the law. 

 

The one bit bit of information that they really want is the number of people living in the home, legal or illegal. 

[jg121783 3,921]

3 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I got some crazy extended version of the census. It wanted to know things like, How many commodes I had , how many computers I had etc.

 

I got several threatening letters. Never did fill it out. TMI

Same here. All they have is empty threats and intimidation. The census worker where my friend lives was on some power trip and called the police on my friend because he didn't fill in the full extended form and refused to several times when they came to his house. The police came and the census worker ended up being escorted off his property and told by the police if they come back they would be arrested for trespassing. In my case I never even heard from anyone regarding it.

 

3 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

 

The one bit bit of information that they really want is the number of people living in the home, legal or illegal. 

The one bit of information they want (and have wanted since the first census) is how many eligible voters are in each household. I challenge you to show me any federal law that specifically states you must provide any more information than that and what the penalty is for not complying.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

10 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Same here. All they have is empty threats and intimidation. The census worker where my friend lives was on some power trip and called the police on my friend because he didn't fill in the full extended form and refused to several times when they came to his house. The police came and the census worker ended up being escorted off his property and told by the police if they come back they would be arrested for trespassing. In my case I never even heard from anyone regarding it.

 

The one bit of information they want (and have wanted since the first census) is how many eligible voters are in each household. I challenge you to show me any federal law that specifically states you must provide any more information than that and what the penalty is for not complying.

Not true.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

3 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I got some crazy extended version of the census. It wanted to know things like, How many commodes I had , how many computers I had etc.

 

I got several threatening letters. Never did fill it out. TMI

 

  That's what happens when you have a lot of commodes.