U.S. Army Veteran Deported to Mexico After 2 Tours in Afghanistan

[smilesammich 10,727]

26 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Let’s break it down to just the facts.

 

A mexican citizen came to America and was convicted of felony drug possession/trafficking charges.  Plead the amount down from 4.4 lbs to 100 grams for a reduced sentence.  Served a little over half of his sentence, and was deported to his country of citizenship where he shall remain for life.

 

Had the crime been committed by a USC, he/she might have plead the same sentence, served most of it, and remained in their country of citizenship for life, with an additional ban on owning firearms for life.  

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

What’s silly is that you somehow misinterpreted what I said enough to garner that I meant that.  I did not.

ok, whatever.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

6 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

was he now. do you know this guy? i read that he thought his service would automatically give him citizenship.

veterans, specifically.

I have known several who used their military service to obtain USC.  Not a single person thought it was automatic.  Every single one of them knew the process, and how it was simplified for them, and were thankful for that, and hence willing to serve.

 

Heartstrings.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

7 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

 

ok, whatever.

Not whatever, you got it wrong.  I never said he served a portion of his sentence because he wasn’t a USC.  I simply posted the facts.  He did get a reduced sentence based on the plea (as could a USC).  He served less than his full sentence (as could a USC).  He was deported for his crime (unlike a USC).

 

Oh, and he could have been a USC for about 18 years before his conviction, but he was not.  Poor life choice, it seems.

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3 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

I have known several who used their military service to obtain USC.  Not a single person thought it was automatic.  Every single one of them knew the process, and how it was simplified for them, and were thankful for that, and hence willing to serve.

 

Heartstrings.

But vaguely amusing, probably Lawyer came up with that one.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, IDWAF said:

I have known several who used their military service to obtain USC.  Not a single person thought it was automatic.  Every single one of them knew the process, and how it was simplified for them, and were thankful for that, and hence willing to serve.

 

Heartstrings.

heartstrings? try on "personal anecdote" - much better fit here. your acquaintances and their experiences have literally nothing to do with what this guy's understanding of anything.

 

 

 

[Dashinka 24,500]

15 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

was he now. do you know this guy? i read that he thought his service would automatically give him citizenship. 

veterans, specifically.

I don't know him, and sorry, I do not take people's words for gospel especially when they are for self-serving purposes.  Lack of knowledge on his part is not a defense.  I suppose his drug trafficking conviction was due to ignorance as well.

 

A bad veteran should be treated like any other bad person.

Edited March 29, 2018 by Bill & Katya

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

12 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

 

ok, whatever.

This guy was a veteran.. should we have cut him a break

 

 

 

 

How about this guy 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

I don't know him, and sorry, I do not take people's words for gospel especially when they are for self-serving purposes.  Lack of knowledge on his part is not a defense.  I suppose his drug trafficking conviction was due to ignorance as well.

 

A bad veteran should be treated like any other bad person.

i get that you reserve the right to make a personal judgement. doesn't mean your personal judgement is based on anything other than emotion.

 

agreed. and he served his sentence. he should not be deported.

Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

Well I guess getting killed is kind of like deportation. Same principal 

not really. if this guy had been executed for his trafficking charge then maybe you'd have a valid comparison.

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

Would have been if they were LPRs.

 

 

but they weren't. so, no comparison.

[Dashinka 24,500]

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

i get that you reserve the right to make a personal judgement. doesn't mean your personal judgement is based on anything other than emotion.

 

agreed. and he served his sentence. he should not be deported.

not really. if this guy had been executed for his trafficking charge then maybe you'd have a valid comparison.

Just like your emotion, but for some reason you believe yours is superior which it is not.  Criminal LPRs lose their status all the time.  Who cares about being a veteran?

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Bill & Katya said:

Just like your emotion, but for some reason you believe yours is superior which it is not.  Criminal LPRs lose their status all the time.  Who cares about being a veteran?

 anyone who serves in the us military for the united states should be considered a citizen. it's pretty basic to me. who cares about being a veteran? obviously not you. i do.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

6 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i get that you reserve the right to make a personal judgement. doesn't mean your personal judgement is based on anything other than emotion.

 

agreed. and he served his sentence. he should not be deported.

not really. if this guy had been executed for his trafficking charge then maybe you'd have a valid comparison.

You do realize  that most lucid people think execution is worse than deportation 

[Dashinka 24,500]

Just now, smilesammich said:

 anyone who serves in the us military for the united states should be considered a citizen. it's pretty basic to me. who cares about being a veteran? obviously not you. i do.

I already gave you the parameters I would agree to.  No one that is guilty of a CMT should be allowed to naturalize whether a veteran or not period.  Get off your emotional train.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Bill & Katya said:

I already gave you the parameters I would agree to.  No one that is guilty of a CMT should be allowed to naturalize whether a veteran or not period.  Get off your emotional train.

check out the reasons for denial. an affair? absurd.

http://america.aljazeera.com/multimedia/2015/5/good-enough-to-be-soldier-but-not-citizen.html

[Dashinka 24,500]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

check out the reasons for denial. an affair? absurd.

http://america.aljazeera.com/multimedia/2015/5/good-enough-to-be-soldier-but-not-citizen.html

If you want the rules changed, then get them changed instead of carrying the MDL emotional banner.  I have no sympathy for a drug trafficker veteran or not.