March for our lives: hundreds of thousands demand end to gun violence

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 hour ago, Jacque67 said:

Lordy, first Ted Nugent, now Frank Stallone has gone off the deep end regarding Hogg. These old guys sure a scared.

 

https://www.mediaite.com/online/sylvester-stallones-brother-calls-david-hogg-a-pssy-wants-classmates-to-sucker-punch-him/

"Look at my resume you uninformed liberal dunce cap wearing clowns🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸"!!!!!

[Dashinka 24,767]

2 hours ago, Unidentified said:

I kind of agree with Obama but with one addon: I miss the days when we had fewer media to go to (because it was convenient) but they were all about honest reporting and not this stupid skewing everything to get viewers and this bias depending on the political views of whoever owns the station/newspaper.

That is the thing, were they more honest back then, or was that just an assumption.  Many people don’t understand that what they see on the news (any news channel) is a produced show with some exceptions such as breaking news events.  No one knew back then which stories were left on the cutting room floor when it came to putting together the show.  The same can be said of the newspapers or new sites.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

It seems some students still support owning guns.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/31/florida-high-school-students-walk-out-guns-second-amendment/475486002/

[jg121783 3,921]

2 hours ago, IDWAF said:

It seems some students still support owning guns.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/31/florida-high-school-students-walk-out-guns-second-amendment/475486002/

But their not on CNN every 15 minutes and they don't have George Soros bussed in protesters backing them so they don't matter.

[Jacque67 7,328]

3 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

"Look at my resume you uninformed liberal dunce cap wearing clowns🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸"!!!!!

Here's old Ted Nugent going off calling them "soulless" and "mushy brained"

 

http://hollywoodlife.com/2018/03/31/ted-nugent-blasts-david-hogg-parkland-survivors-florida-shooting/

 

 

Well they managed to get Laura Ingraham off tv for at least a week. A successful boycott by the left. Those liberals must be strong.

No wonder Stallone and Nugent are scared and a resorting to calling shooting survivors names. Deplorable.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

https://www.gq.com/story/the-sliming-of-david-hogg-and-emma-gonzalez

 

The Sliming of David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez

 

How a campaign to discredit the Parkland survivors went from the right-wing fringe to the conservative mainstream.

Last Saturday, at the Boston satellite March for Our Lives, I noticed a peculiar sight. It was a stout, middle-aged man wearing a Patriots cap and blue wrap-around Oakleys. He looked more like a high school baseball coach with an affinity for canned beer than a leftist activist steeped in the thinking of Noam Chomsky. He was marching alongside a younger woman who looked like his daughter and was carrying an “Enough is Enough” sign. Instead of a pithy zinger, his own sign was plastered in earnest with the handwritten names and faces of all 17 dead victims of the shooting at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, each pasted on colorful starburst cutouts in lime green, hot pink, fluorescent yellow, or tangerine.

In the wake of the Parkland shooting last Valentine’s Day, support for gun control in America has surged. Outside liberal bastions like Los Angeles or Washington, D.C., where crowds filled streets as far as the eye could see, marches popped up in previously improbable locations like Marfa, Texas; Laramie, Wyoming; and Lewiston, Idaho. A recent Quinnipiac poll showed that support among American voters for stricter gun laws is at an all-time high: 66 to 31 percent, up 19 percent from less than two years ago, with gains in surprising demographics, including independent voters, men, and whites with no college degree.

The Parkland students have been widely credited with changing the conversation on gun control, thanks to their fast-moving social-media savvy and capitalization on the progress forged by older activist groups, such as Moms Demand Action and Black Lives Matter. That also made them a target for right-wing extremists, but that part, unfortunately, was not a new development. The families of murdered Sandy Hook Elementary students endured a deluge of abuse, fueled by false-flag conspiracy theories from sites like Infowars. Now the attacks on shooting survivors has spread from fringe to mainstream conservative sites.

Take David French, a senior writer for National Review, who twice tweeted disparagingly of high school senior David Hogg this past week. “I don’t think that photo translates well outside the gun-control cocoon,” he wroteof an image of Hogg in a gray suit jacket with a raised clenched fist. French's message was ambiguous, with room for plausible deniability. But many online trolls had just compared Hogg’s pose to a Hitler salute, and French made no attempt to distinguish his remark from that interpretation. It was, to say the very least, more than a stretch to compare a raised fist to the open-handed fascist salute, but Nazi comparisons have become the go-to among the gun-violence survivors’ antagonists, who also Photoshopped a swastika on a photo of Hogg with an armband.

David French

 

✔@DavidAFrench

 

 

I don’t think that photo translates well outside the gun-control cocoon. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/978266080660676608 …

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“David Hogg Is Fair Game for Critics,” French’s National Review colleague Charles C.W. Cooke announced last month, with the sadly necessary caveat that Hogg is not, in fact, a crisis actor or an FBI plant. Fellow conservatives agreed. National Review ran two more articles on Hogg, including Rich Lowry’s “The Teenage Demagogues,” claiming that the “young activists are making our public debate even more poisonous and less civil,” and a slightly deranged piece called “David Hogg: Oracle, or Useful Idiot?” in which the author wrote that “Hogg is basking in his 15 minutes of fame” before veering into a rambling argument about the obsolescence and “sociopathic” nature of physical schools in the age of online learning. Sarah Rumpf of the conservative blog RedState boosted the insidious conspiracy theory that Hogg wasn’t on campus the day of the shooting, which she later had to retract. Fox News host Laura Ingraham retweeted a story from The Daily Wire, run by French’s friend Ben Shapiro, mocking Hogg for being rejected by four colleges despite a “4.1 GPA,” adding that he was a whiner. Fair game, indeed.

On the day of March for Our Lives, Hogg opened his speech with a common theme: "I’m going to start off by putting this price tag right here as a reminder for you guys to know how much Marco Rubio took for every student's life in Florida.” In response, French tweeted out, “So do the adult activists think this kind of rhetoric is a good idea?” This was not a question he asked of his own colleague Kevin Williamson, whose hiring by The Atlantic was criticized over his comments that women who have abortions should be hanged and who once described a young black male as a primate. “He’s supremely talented and undeniably provocative,” wrote French in a piece titled "The Sliming of Kevin Williamson," arguing for “intellectual” space. “Give tolerance a chance.” Apparently, middle-aged adults who write professionally for a living should not be held to the same standard of equanimity as the teen survivors raw from the 70th mass shooting in America since Columbine. Ditto the NRA, which French has praised for its “wise, principled” decisions, and which is known for its outrageously inflammatory brand of rhetoric, with a curled-lip spokesperson who attacks the free press in stunts like threatening to burn The New York Times and saying things like “crying white mothers are ratings gold.”

“While Fox News went into full meltdown mode, with angry middle-aged men screaming about their guns, young person after young person, from East Los Angeles, Chicago, and Parkland, stood up to tell the story of losing a loved one, offering thoughtful prescriptions to fill the void of negligence and lack of political will left by adults.”

For those who actually watched the March for Our Lives speeches, there was plenty of equanimity on display. Eleven-year-old Naomi Wadler spoke for “the African-American girls whose stories don’t make the front page of every national newspaper” with a preternatural eloquence. Trevon Bosley of the Brave Youth Leaders of Chicago was among many to evoke Martin Luther King Jr., the once hated agitator who is now universally celebrated. “We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope,” Bosley intoned to a cheering crowd. “Good afternoon, family,” said Alex King, also of Chicago. “Yes, I said family because we are here fighting in unity for the same goals. Our pain makes us family.” While Fox News went into full meltdown mode, with angry middle-aged men screaming about their guns, young person after young person, from East Los Angeles, Chicago, and Parkland, stood up to tell the story of losing a loved one, offering thoughtful prescriptions to fill the void of negligence and lack of political will left by adults.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

[Unidentified 2,930]

10 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Let me be clear, I will never support attacking women on their appearance, choice of apparel, language, sexual preference , number of partners, hair style, choice of work or hairstyle.  

 

Reporting these attacks has no affect in this forum from my perspective, I wish I knew the solution to change attitudes.  We seem to be stuck in the 19 Century on several topics here. Nothing changes.

If more people (especially men) stand up for women instead of joining in on the bashing hopefully they will understand how immature they are. But as long as people (especially men) encourage them, they will continue. 

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[Boiler 46,025]

Gender anyway is so passe.

 

But there is I think some consideration informing others how you self identify if you intend making an issue of it.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, Unidentified said:

 

I'm a woman. She does not look like a man. 

Doesn’t matter what gender you identify as, my comment still stands.  Doesn’t really matter to me.  In some pics, she looks like a girl, in other more like a guy.  But that’s not really an issue; I know several who are like that.  Some who just like the “butch” look, some who want to be guys and so do their best to look like them.  Whatever floats their boat, doesn’t hurt me none.  

 

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[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, Unidentified said:

I really don't get why people have to belittle women just because they don't want to live up to the norm of what men thinks a woman should look like. I thought we had come further than that. 

Just read Boiler’s post, and your response to it.  Nothing he said belittled her.  He simply asked how one would know it was a woman.  Perhaps the meme is assuming the gender, but from the looks of her, I could see it going either way.  

 

If a girl/woman chooses to look and dress like a guy, so be it.  If someone confuses her gender because of it, or comments on it, that is not an insult nor belittling.  

[Jacque67 7,328]

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/381139-eagles-of-death-metal-frontman-apologizes-for-calling-march-for-our-lives

 

He's seen the light, unlike resident genius Bill Mitchell, who's picking up where Ingraham left off. That should work well for him.

[Jacque67 7,328]

6 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

https://www.gq.com/story/the-sliming-of-david-hogg-and-emma-gonzalez

 

The Sliming of David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez

 

How a campaign to discredit the Parkland survivors went from the right-wing fringe to the conservative mainstream.

Last Saturday, at the Boston satellite March for Our Lives, I noticed a peculiar sight. It was a stout, middle-aged man wearing a Patriots cap and blue wrap-around Oakleys. He looked more like a high school baseball coach with an affinity for canned beer than a leftist activist steeped in the thinking of Noam Chomsky. He was marching alongside a younger woman who looked like his daughter and was carrying an “Enough is Enough” sign. Instead of a pithy zinger, his own sign was plastered in earnest with the handwritten names and faces of all 17 dead victims of the shooting at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, each pasted on colorful starburst cutouts in lime green, hot pink, fluorescent yellow, or tangerine.

In the wake of the Parkland shooting last Valentine’s Day, support for gun control in America has surged. Outside liberal bastions like Los Angeles or Washington, D.C., where crowds filled streets as far as the eye could see, marches popped up in previously improbable locations like Marfa, Texas; Laramie, Wyoming; and Lewiston, Idaho. A recent Quinnipiac poll showed that support among American voters for stricter gun laws is at an all-time high: 66 to 31 percent, up 19 percent from less than two years ago, with gains in surprising demographics, including independent voters, men, and whites with no college degree.

The Parkland students have been widely credited with changing the conversation on gun control, thanks to their fast-moving social-media savvy and capitalization on the progress forged by older activist groups, such as Moms Demand Action and Black Lives Matter. That also made them a target for right-wing extremists, but that part, unfortunately, was not a new development. The families of murdered Sandy Hook Elementary students endured a deluge of abuse, fueled by false-flag conspiracy theories from sites like Infowars. Now the attacks on shooting survivors has spread from fringe to mainstream conservative sites.

Take David French, a senior writer for National Review, who twice tweeted disparagingly of high school senior David Hogg this past week. “I don’t think that photo translates well outside the gun-control cocoon,” he wroteof an image of Hogg in a gray suit jacket with a raised clenched fist. French's message was ambiguous, with room for plausible deniability. But many online trolls had just compared Hogg’s pose to a Hitler salute, and French made no attempt to distinguish his remark from that interpretation. It was, to say the very least, more than a stretch to compare a raised fist to the open-handed fascist salute, but Nazi comparisons have become the go-to among the gun-violence survivors’ antagonists, who also Photoshopped a swastika on a photo of Hogg with an armband.

David French

 

✔@DavidAFrench

 

 

I don’t think that photo translates well outside the gun-control cocoon. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/978266080660676608 …

6:44 AM - Mar 26, 2018

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“David Hogg Is Fair Game for Critics,” French’s National Review colleague Charles C.W. Cooke announced last month, with the sadly necessary caveat that Hogg is not, in fact, a crisis actor or an FBI plant. Fellow conservatives agreed. National Review ran two more articles on Hogg, including Rich Lowry’s “The Teenage Demagogues,” claiming that the “young activists are making our public debate even more poisonous and less civil,” and a slightly deranged piece called “David Hogg: Oracle, or Useful Idiot?” in which the author wrote that “Hogg is basking in his 15 minutes of fame” before veering into a rambling argument about the obsolescence and “sociopathic” nature of physical schools in the age of online learning. Sarah Rumpf of the conservative blog RedState boosted the insidious conspiracy theory that Hogg wasn’t on campus the day of the shooting, which she later had to retract. Fox News host Laura Ingraham retweeted a story from The Daily Wire, run by French’s friend Ben Shapiro, mocking Hogg for being rejected by four colleges despite a “4.1 GPA,” adding that he was a whiner. Fair game, indeed.

On the day of March for Our Lives, Hogg opened his speech with a common theme: "I’m going to start off by putting this price tag right here as a reminder for you guys to know how much Marco Rubio took for every student's life in Florida.” In response, French tweeted out, “So do the adult activists think this kind of rhetoric is a good idea?” This was not a question he asked of his own colleague Kevin Williamson, whose hiring by The Atlantic was criticized over his comments that women who have abortions should be hanged and who once described a young black male as a primate. “He’s supremely talented and undeniably provocative,” wrote French in a piece titled "The Sliming of Kevin Williamson," arguing for “intellectual” space. “Give tolerance a chance.” Apparently, middle-aged adults who write professionally for a living should not be held to the same standard of equanimity as the teen survivors raw from the 70th mass shooting in America since Columbine. Ditto the NRA, which French has praised for its “wise, principled” decisions, and which is known for its outrageously inflammatory brand of rhetoric, with a curled-lip spokesperson who attacks the free press in stunts like threatening to burn The New York Times and saying things like “crying white mothers are ratings gold.”

“While Fox News went into full meltdown mode, with angry middle-aged men screaming about their guns, young person after young person, from East Los Angeles, Chicago, and Parkland, stood up to tell the story of losing a loved one, offering thoughtful prescriptions to fill the void of negligence and lack of political will left by adults.”

For those who actually watched the March for Our Lives speeches, there was plenty of equanimity on display. Eleven-year-old Naomi Wadler spoke for “the African-American girls whose stories don’t make the front page of every national newspaper” with a preternatural eloquence. Trevon Bosley of the Brave Youth Leaders of Chicago was among many to evoke Martin Luther King Jr., the once hated agitator who is now universally celebrated. “We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope,” Bosley intoned to a cheering crowd. “Good afternoon, family,” said Alex King, also of Chicago. “Yes, I said family because we are here fighting in unity for the same goals. Our pain makes us family.” While Fox News went into full meltdown mode, with angry middle-aged men screaming about their guns, young person after young person, from East Los Angeles, Chicago, and Parkland, stood up to tell the story of losing a loved one, offering thoughtful prescriptions to fill the void of negligence and lack of political will left by adults.

Good analysis. 

[Dashinka 24,767]

Well, to be fair, Hogg doesn’t seem to know the difference between the 1st and 4th Amendments.

[Penguin_ie 5,996]

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