Chevron’s lawyer, speaking for major oil companies, says climate change is real and it’s your fault

[Dashinka 24,767]

31 minutes ago, bcking said:

Good luck with that.

 

Humans will always make a mess of the planet. We can't fix that. That is just part of dominating an entire planet.

 

The only way we could clean up our mess is if we culled our population by a massive degree and found an equilibrium between our use of resources and the planet's growth of resources. 

 

That won't happen, so yes we either leave the planet or wait until it eventually becomes inhospitable to us and forces the population culling.

It is interesting how many people forget that to manufacture something, it has to come from the ground in some way.  Recycling is possible, and should be encouraged, but often times, there is somebody digging/drilling somewhere in the ground to get raw materials to make something.  We should be much more responsible in doing this work, but often in areas with little regulation or care, they do not follow responsible practices.

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14 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Happy Friday,,😓😣

Take comfort in the fact that most likely our decline won't occur in our life time. We'll both have no idea.

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9 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

It is interesting how many people forget that to manufacture something, it has to come from the ground in some way.  Recycling is possible, and should be encouraged, but often times, there is somebody digging/drilling somewhere in the ground to get raw materials to make something.  We should be much more responsible in doing this work, but often in areas with little regulation or care, they do not follow responsible practices.

We can certainly reduce, reuse and recycle. That all sounds great.

 

It won't change the fact that as a species we consume, consume and consume. Our population as a whole continues to rise. The growth rate might be declining, but it's still net growth, in part because we can keep people alive so much longer.

 

It's silly to think that it wouldn't eventually reach carry capacity and then a subsequent crash.

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10 minutes ago, bcking said:

We can certainly reduce, reuse and recycle. That all sounds great.

 

It won't change the fact that as a species we consume, consume and consume. Our population as a whole continues to rise. The growth rate might be declining, but it's still net growth, in part because we can keep people alive so much longer.

 

It's silly to think that it wouldn't eventually reach carry capacity and then a subsequent crash.

I am not convinced that it is a silly idea. I think we can develop the capacity to have better quality lives through technology, policy and a spiritual view of the world.

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3 hours ago, bcking said:

Good luck with that.

 

Humans will always make a mess of the planet. We can't fix that. That is just part of dominating an entire planet.

 

The only way we could clean up our mess is if we culled our population by a massive degree and found an equilibrium between our use of resources and the planet's growth of resources. 

 

That won't happen, so yes we either leave the planet or wait until it eventually becomes inhospitable to us and forces the population culling.

is that a suggestion to buy an AR-15? 

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5 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Society does need to shift, just faster.

Go to California and stand on a tectonic plate (or earthquake fault).

5 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

action on eliminating carbon is necessary. 

What if we eat tacos el carbon for dinner and fart afterwards; does this help?

Edited March 23, 2018 by TBoneTX

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1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

is that a suggestion to buy an AR-15? 

Guns won't help you.

 

Money and influence will likely be what keeps you around. Though also I would envisage any smart country would put together a select group of people that have a variety of skills (and a variety of gene pool options) that could be protected in some sort of small scale self-sustained society while the rest of the world crumbles. 

 

Also remember we are talking about something that will happen probably next century. So stocking up on an AR-15 and ammunition now probably won't help your children's children's children.

 

I'm being very negative today...

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7 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

I am not convinced that it is a silly idea. I think we can develop the capacity to have better quality lives through technology, policy and a spiritual view of the world.

As long as the government is in control right?

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2 hours ago, bcking said:

Guns won't help you.

 

Money and influence will likely be what keeps you around. Though also I would envisage any smart country would put together a select group of people that have a variety of skills (and a variety of gene pool options) that could be protected in some sort of small scale self-sustained society while the rest of the world crumbles. 

 

Also remember we are talking about something that will happen probably next century. So stocking up on an AR-15 and ammunition now probably won't help your children's children's children.

 

I'm being very negative today...

I think they are called Washington insiders.

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19 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

As long as the government is in control right?

The sad reality is that humans don't generally do much to help others (especially future others, 200 years down the line) without some form of pressure.

 

The pressure doesn't have to come from the government, but it has to come somewhere.

 

19 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I think they are called Washington insiders.

It's called just good sense. If the world population is going to collapse due to severe reductions in space and food supply, you would want a highly intelligent, diverse group of people protected. You would want to have all the skill sets you would need to troubleshoot and continue on.

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13 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

I have been right here trying to persuade folks that action on eliminating carbon is necessary. 

Have you stopped driving your car?  Heating your house?  Tell us what YOU have done to eliminate carbon build up.

Edited March 24, 2018 by IDWAF

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12 hours ago, bcking said:

We can certainly reduce, reuse and recycle. That all sounds great.

 

It won't change the fact that as a species we consume, consume and consume. Our population as a whole continues to rise. The growth rate might be declining, but it's still net growth, in part because we can keep people alive so much longer.

 

It's silly to think that it wouldn't eventually reach carry capacity and then a subsequent crash.

I like your negativity today.  I think it has a lot of merit (unfortunately for our species).  We want nice things today, and to heck with the impact on the planet.  I’m just as guilty as anyone.  And the earth is a finite source for... well, everything.  Unless the world comes together and decides to reverse population growth and cut back on some of the nice things we enjoy today, future generations will suffer and will end up near extinction, I think (sadly).  

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11 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Go to California and stand on a tectonic plate (or earthquake fault).

What if we eat tacos el carbon for dinner and fart afterwards; does this help?

No

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Back to the drawing board...

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10 hours ago, bcking said:

The sad reality is that humans don't generally do much to help others (especially future others, 200 years down the line) without some form of pressure.

 

The pressure doesn't have to come from the government, but it has to come somewhere.

 

It's called just good sense. If the world population is going to collapse due to severe reductions in space and food supply, you would want a highly intelligent, diverse group of people protected. You would want to have all the skill sets you would need to troubleshoot and continue on.

I was making a joke regarding the Washington insiders, their self styled elite status, and the fact that if their was a small group of protected population, they would be first in line.  As you mentioned, humans tend to be selfish when it comes to the greater good, those in government are not much better.