I-751 Sworn Affidavit, required now?

Marco&Bettina · March 23, 2018

2 minutes ago, ~Alessa~ said:

OMG!

I got a little bit confused now. So If I file ROC during 90 days period before my conditional green card expires I will get extension letter in the next several weeks, correct? And than I will have to wait for around 1,5 year for the 10yr old GC to be approved, so technically I will be a resident in US for 3 years and once I finally get my 10-year-old GC isn't it a time to file for a citizenship since I would still be married to the US citizen and resident for 3 years?

You can file N-400 after being a GC holder for 3 years, regardless of GC type. So yes, your I-751 can still be pending when you apply for N-400. However, they can't adjudicate your N-400 while your I-751 is pending. It will force USCIS' hand to take action on your I-751 if you apply for N-400 while it's still pending.

mrs thb · March 23, 2018

6 hours ago, ~Alessa~ said:

Hello! I just opened instructions to I-751 and on page 6 out of 10 it says, the documents SHOULD include, but are not limited to, the following examples: 1. Birth certificates of children born during the time of this marriage, if any; 2. Lease or mortgage contracts showing joint occupancy and/or ownership of your communal residence; 3. Financial records showing joint ownership of assets and joint responsibility for liabilities, such as joint savings and checking accounts with transaction history, complete joint Federal and State tax returns, insurance policies that show the other spouse as the beneficiary, joint utility bills, or joint installment or other loans. If applicable, submit copies of military Leave and Earnings Statements showing receipt of Basic Allowance for Quarters (BAQ) with family members and/or Form DD-1172 for military family member identification cards; 4. Other documents that you consider relevant to establish that your marriage was not entered for the purpose of evading U.S. immigration laws; and Form I-751 Instructions 12/05/17 N Page 6 of 10 5. Affidavits sworn to or affirmed by at least two people who have known both of you since your conditional residence was granted and have personal knowledge of your marriage and relationship. (Such persons may be required to testify before an immigration officer as to the information contained in the affidavit.) The original affidavit must be submitted and also contain the following information regarding the person making the affidavit: his or her full name and address; date and place of birth; relationship to you or your spouse, if any; and full information and complete details explaining how the person acquired his or her knowledge. Affidavits must be supported by other types of evidence listed above.

Is it required now? In the instructions it says "SHOULD include" from at least 2 people.....I don't have 2 solid people to write an affidavit. I can't even see asking people doing it, it's embarrassing.

Anyways. we going to have joint tax returns (will that be alright or they prefer transcripts?); our names on the lease; joint saving and checking; electric bill on husband's name, cable bill on mine (I didn't know we can do joint utility bill); mail on our address; pictures together; and probably just one affidavit from husband's mother.

Link to the I-751 instructions, https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-751instr.pdf. Expires 12/31/2019.

Alessa, you have the option of including them. They are suggested pieces of evidence and if you are going to include them they'd like them to be sworn or affirmed. And, I get you on being embarrassed. Its a big responsibility!!!

I get why people would decline. Not many know or care to know about legal immigration since media goes to such pain to emphasis illegal immigration. I personally find it belittling to ask a neighbour, colleague, etc to vouch for my relationship with my spouse. Furthermore, they'd likely not know what to put into such a document to really assist you (hence, I didn't submit any).

In some situations, people need to use them to support their case since they have little financial co mingling.

If I were to ask family, a friend or neighbour I'd certainly be giving them samples to work from and/or help them compose. Nothing looks worse than a poorly written letter with little proof to substantiate it. It's really a personal preference.

mrs thb · March 23, 2018

30 minutes ago, ~Alessa~ said:

OMG!

I got a little bit confused now. So If I file ROC during 90 days period before my conditional green card expires I will get extension letter in the next several weeks, correct? And than I will have to wait for around 1,5 year for the 10yr old GC to be approved, so technically I will be a resident in US for 3 years and once I finally get my 10-year-old GC isn't it a time to file for a citizenship since I would still be married to the US citizen and resident for 3 years?

Looking at your timeline, you are in the process to apply for ROC. Do not wait for your GC to expire. That will only create a big mess for you. After you send in your I-751 you will get an extension letter that is valid for one year. You will be instructed to carry the letter and the expired GC with you when you travel outside of the US. Expect a long wait....and keep your fingers crossed that they have cleared out the backlog at both CSC and VSC. 90 days from the expiry of your extension letter (which is 3 years after the date of issue on your GC) you can apply for N-400. Otherwise, you can wait the 5 years.

You may also get a letter confirming bio-metrics.....but don't sit waiting for this. Some aren't and haven't received notice....still months later!!

Its good your getting ahead on the game....USCIS doesn't make the process easy sometimes.

Edited March 23, 2018 by mrs thb

~Alessa~ · March 23, 2018

3 hours ago, mrs thb said:

Looking at your timeline, you are in the process to apply for ROC. Do not wait for your GC to expire. That will only create a big mess for you. After you send in your I-751 you will get an extension letter that is valid for one year. You will be instructed to carry the letter and the expired GC with you when you travel outside of the US. Expect a long wait....and keep your fingers crossed that they have cleared out the backlog at both CSC and VSC. 90 days from the expiry of your extension letter (which is 3 years after the date of issue on your GC) you can apply for N-400. Otherwise, you can wait the 5 years.

You may also get a letter confirming bio-metrics.....but don't sit waiting for this. Some aren't and haven't received notice....still months later!!

Its good your getting ahead on the game....USCIS doesn't make the process easy sometimes.

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Hello, I haven't been updating my timeline long time ago, I got my conditional GC in april 2017 and it expires in april 2019 so I am going to file ROC january or february 2019 just trying to figure out everything ahead of time...

And yeah my USCIS local office is pretty slow, so after biometrics appointment, I was waiting for 8 mons to get an interview during AOS.

Problem is that we also planning to move to another state next year....

Edited March 23, 2018 by ~Alessa~

~Alessa~ · March 23, 2018

I have one more question))

Does USCIS need an affidavit of support (form I-864) for the ROC or naturalization process?

NovaSprings · March 23, 2018

OP if this helps, the following is a copy of the letter I sent along with my ROC package in Nov. 2017. I can tell you that my package was about 3 inches deep as I wanted to front end load the application in hopes of getting approved without an interview. I did not include affidavits as I have seen in this form that they do not carry much weight, for ROC financial co-mingling is king.

Of course I have not heard anything yet (way too soon), but I wanted to post this as another source of ideas on what you could include in an ROC package. I hope this helps

November 22, 2017

Vermont Service Center
75 Lower Welden Street
St. Albans, VT 05479

RE: I-751 JOINT PETITION TO REMOVE CONDITIONS ON RESIDENCE OF:

Iam the Wife, A# xxx-xxx-xxx

U.S. Citizen Spouse: Hes the Hubby (DOB: July 99,9999; SSN: 111-11-1111)

Conditional Resident Spouse: Iam the Wife (DOB: Aug 99,9999; SSN: 111-11-1111)

To whom it may concern:

Enclosed please find a Joint I-751 petition for removal of conditions of permanent resident status for Iam the Wife. The Wife entered the US on a CR-1 visa on February 22, 2016 to live with her husband The Hubby and have been happily living together since that time. The Wife received a Conditional Green Card (CARD # AAA1111111) which expires on February 22, 2018.

Please accept the attached FORM I-751 Petition to Remove Conditions on Residence as well as copies of supporting evidence of our relationship. The materials which show a merging of our personal and financial lives since marriage are organized in tab dividers and we have included a Table of Contents which provides a summary and short description of each document included in our package. Copies of documents submitted are exact photocopies of unaltered documents and we understand that we may be required to submit original documents to an Immigration or Consular officer at a later date.

Please advise us if you have any further questions or concerns related to this petition. Thank you for your prompt processing of this petition and for what we hope is your favorable response at your earliest opportunity.

Sincerely,

Iam the Wife and Hes the Hubby

Table of Contents

Exhibit 1:

Check in the amount of $680.00 for payment of the I-751 Petition to Remove Conditions on Residence + Biometric fee
Copy of USCIS Form I-551 front and back (Permanent Resident Card)
Original Form I-751 filled and signed by The Wife and The Hubby
Original Form G-1145 e-Notification of Application/Petition Acceptance

Exhibit 2:

Marriage certificate (short form) between The Wife and The Hubby, issued on xxx showing marriage on xxx
Marriage certificate (long form) between The Wife and The Hubby, issued on xxx and providing additional details for our marriage on xxx
Copies of Driver licences for The Wife and The Hubby showing joint residency

Exhibit 3:

Copies of monthly bank statements of our joint checking account from Bank from February 2016 to October 2017, showing various financial co-mingling
Copies of quarterly bank statements of our joint savings accounts from February 2016 to present

Exhibit 4:

Copy of Limited Liability Company Operating Agreement executed on June 10, 2016 for Our Company Name, a company jointly owned by The Wife and The Hubby
Copy of 2017 LLC Annual Report filed with Mississippi Secretary of State showing Member owners as The Wife and The Hubby
Copy Business Licence 2016-2017 for City of Our Town showing the home address of The Wife and The Hubby
Copy Business Licence 2017-2018 for City of Our Town showing the home address of The Wife and The Hubby
Copy of Retail Sales Tax Permit for Our Company LLC showing the home address of The Wife and The Hubby
Copy of the 2016 IRS tax transcript for Our Company LLC

Exhibit 5:

Copy of Certificate of Title for 2014 A fast car showing joint ownership
Copy of Application for Title, Add Name/Drop Lien for 2014 A fast car showing joint ownership
Copies of Auto insurance from USAA March 3, 2016 to June 11, 2018 for 2014 A fast car showing joint ownership/coverage
Copy of Certificate of Title for 2007 Another fast car showing joint ownership
Copy of Application for Title, Add Name/Drop Lien for 2007 Another fast car showing joint ownership
Copies of Auto insurance from USAA March 3, 2016 to June 11, 2018 for 2007 Another fast car showing joint ownership/coverage

Exhibit 6:

Copy of front and back of Discover Credit Cards for The Wife and The Hubby showing the same account number for both cards
Copies of selected credit card statements for Discover Credit Card showing the card is in use

Exhibit 7:

Copy of Interest Rate Disclosure from Quicken Loans for our home at our address showing Borrowers as The Wife and The Hubby
Copy of Home Insurance, Valuable Personal Property showing the addition of The Wife’s wedding ring and other jewelry to the policy

Exhibit 8:

Copy statements for Investment Company Name investment accounts, January 2016 to June 2017. The Wife as primary owner with The Hubby as 100% Beneficiary. All statements sent to home address.
Copy statements for my hubby’s employer Savings Plan, January 2016 to August 2017. The Hubby as primary owner with The Wife as 100% Beneficiary. All statements sent to home address.
Copy of statements for another investment company account, March 2017 to October 2017. The Hubby and The Wife Joint tenants with right of survivorship (JTWROS). All statements sent to home address.

Exhibit 9:

Letter from Anthem Blue Cross confirming health insurance coverage for The Wife effective 2/17/2016. ID number AAA1211112, Subscriber Name: The Hubby
Copy of front and back of health insurance cards for both The Wife and The Hubby via Hubby’s employer Company Name and showing the same insurance plan number.
Copies of Confirmation Notice from Hubby’s employer, March 1, 2016 to May 2017 confirming Dependant eligibility for The Wife.
Copies of Beneficiary Summary from Hubby’s employer online system showing coverage of The Wife. (printed October 9, 2017)
Copies of selected statements from Anthem Blue Cross showing The Hubby as Subscriber and The Wife as Patient.

Exhibit 10:

2014, 2015, 2016 IRS tax return transcripts for The Hubby (SSN) showing Spouse The Wife (xxx-xx-xxxx was ITIN number for The Wife before she received her SSN xxx-xx-xxxx upon immigration in 2016)
2016 IRS tax return transcripts for The Wife (xxx-xx-xxxx) showing Spouse The Hubby (xxx-xx-xxxx)
Copy of 2016 refund check The Wife, sent to home address
Copy of 2014, 2015 and 2016 Canadian Tax Returns for The Wife showing status of “Married” and First name of Spouse as “Hubby”

Exhibit 11:

Copy of Durable Power of Attorney for Health for The Hubby showing wife as The Wife and dated December 21, 2016
Copy of Durable Power of Attorney for The Hubby showing wife as The Wife dated December 21, 2016
Copy of Last Will and Testament of The Hubby showing spouse as The Wife and dated December 21, 2016
Copy of Durable Power of Attorney for Health for The Wife showing husband as The Hubby and dated December 21, 2016
Copy of Durable Power of Attorney for The Wife showing husband as The Hubby dated December 21, 2016
Copy of Last Will and Testament of The Wife, showing spouse as The Hubby and dated December 21, 2016

Exhibit 12:

Tickets to Disturbed/Rob Zombie concert, May 3, 2016 and picture from concert
Tickets to Queensryche concert, May 6, 2016 and picture from concert
Tickets to Guess Who concert, June 16, 2016
Tickets to Weird Al concert July 15, 2016 and picture from concert
Tickets to Korn and Breaking Benjamin concert, October 9, 2016 and picture from concert
Tickets to Styx, October 20, 2017 concert and picture from concert.
Copy of receipt from Embassy Suites Hotel, February 17-19, 2017, weekend trip to Destin Florida
Copy of receipt from Embassy Suites Hotel May 26-27, 2017, Trip to Orlando Florida.
Copy of photo taken at Universal Studio’s, The Wizarding World of Harry Potter ride, May 25, 2017
Copy of boarding passes for The Wife and Hubby for cruise on Carnival Dream, December 26, 2016 to January 3, 2017 and copies of photo’s taken on the cruise
Copies of greeting cards, letters from family and friends addressed to us throughout the years
Copy of boarding passes for The Wife and Hubby for cruise on Holland America, November 4, 2017 to November 19, 2017 and copies of photo’s taken on the cruise.

Edited March 23, 2018 by NovaSprings

~Alessa~ · March 23, 2018

9 minutes ago, NovaSprings said:

OP if this helps, the following is a copy of the letter I sent along with my ROC package in Nov. 2017. I can tell you that my package was about 3 inches deep as I wanted to front end load the application in hopes of getting approved without an interview. I did not include affidavits as I have seen in this form that they do not carry much weight, for ROC financial co-mingling is king.

Of course I have not heard anything yet (way too soon), but I wanted to post this as another source of ideas on what you could include in an ROC package. I hope this helps

November 22, 2017

Vermont Service Center
75 Lower Welden Street
St. Albans, VT 05479

RE: I-751 JOINT PETITION TO REMOVE CONDITIONS ON RESIDENCE OF:

Iam the Wife, A# xxx-xxx-xxx

U.S. Citizen Spouse: Hes the Hubby (DOB: July 99,9999; SSN: 111-11-1111)

Conditional Resident Spouse: Iam the Wife (DOB: Aug 99,9999; SSN: 111-11-1111)

To whom it may concern:

Enclosed please find a Joint I-751 petition for removal of conditions of permanent resident status for Iam the Wife. The Wife entered the US on a CR-1 visa on February 22, 2016 to live with her husband The Hubby and have been happily living together since that time. The Wife received a Conditional Green Card (CARD # AAA1111111) which expires on February 22, 2018.

Please accept the attached FORM I-751 Petition to Remove Conditions on Residence as well as copies of supporting evidence of our relationship. The materials which show a merging of our personal and financial lives since marriage are organized in tab dividers and we have included a Table of Contents which provides a summary and short description of each document included in our package. Copies of documents submitted are exact photocopies of unaltered documents and we understand that we may be required to submit original documents to an Immigration or Consular officer at a later date.

Please advise us if you have any further questions or concerns related to this petition. Thank you for your prompt processing of this petition and for what we hope is your favorable response at your earliest opportunity.

Sincerely,

Iam the Wife and Hes the Hubby

Table of Contents

Exhibit 1:

Check in the amount of $680.00 for payment of the I-751 Petition to Remove Conditions on Residence + Biometric fee

Copy of USCIS Form I-551 front and back (Permanent Resident Card)

Original Form I-751 filled and signed by The Wife and The Hubby

Original Form G-1145 e-Notification of Application/Petition Acceptance

Exhibit 2:

Marriage certificate (short form) between The Wife and The Hubby, issued on xxx showing marriage on xxx

Marriage certificate (long form) between The Wife and The Hubby, issued on xxx and providing additional details for our marriage on xxx

Copies of Driver licences for The Wife and The Hubby showing joint residency

Exhibit 3:

Copies of monthly bank statements of our joint checking account from Bank from February 2016 to October 2017, showing various financial co-mingling

Copies of quarterly bank statements of our joint savings accounts from February 2016 to present

Exhibit 4:

Copy of Limited Liability Company Operating Agreement executed on June 10, 2016 for Our Company Name, a company jointly owned by The Wife and The Hubby

Copy of 2017 LLC Annual Report filed with Mississippi Secretary of State showing Member owners as The Wife and The Hubby

Copy Business Licence 2016-2017 for City of Our Town showing the home address of The Wife and The Hubby

Copy Business Licence 2017-2018 for City of Our Town showing the home address of The Wife and The Hubby

Copy of Retail Sales Tax Permit for Our Company LLC showing the home address of The Wife and The Hubby

Copy of the 2016 IRS tax transcript for Our Company LLC

Exhibit 5:

Copy of Certificate of Title for 2014 A fast car showing joint ownership

Copy of Application for Title, Add Name/Drop Lien for 2014 A fast car showing joint ownership

Copies of Auto insurance from USAA March 3, 2016 to June 11, 2018 for 2014 A fast car showing joint ownership/coverage

Copy of Certificate of Title for 2007 Another fast car showing joint ownership

Copy of Application for Title, Add Name/Drop Lien for 2007 Another fast car showing joint ownership

Copies of Auto insurance from USAA March 3, 2016 to June 11, 2018 for 2007 Another fast car showing joint ownership/coverage

Exhibit 6:

Copy of front and back of Discover Credit Cards for The Wife and The Hubby showing the same account number for both cards

Copies of selected credit card statements for Discover Credit Card showing the card is in use

Exhibit 7:

Copy of Interest Rate Disclosure from Quicken Loans for our home at our address showing Borrowers as The Wife and The Hubby

Copy of Home Insurance, Valuable Personal Property showing the addition of The Wife’s wedding ring and other jewelry to the policy

Exhibit 8:

Copy statements for Investment Company Name investment accounts, January 2016 to June 2017. The Wife as primary owner with The Hubby as 100% Beneficiary. All statements sent to home address.

Copy statements for my hubby’s employer Savings Plan, January 2016 to August 2017. The Hubby as primary owner with The Wife as 100% Beneficiary. All statements sent to home address.

Copy of statements for another investment company account, March 2017 to October 2017. The Hubby and The Wife Joint tenants with right of survivorship (JTWROS). All statements sent to home address.

Exhibit 9:

Letter from Anthem Blue Cross confirming health insurance coverage for The Wife effective 2/17/2016. ID number AAA1211112, Subscriber Name: The Hubby

Copy of front and back of health insurance cards for both The Wife and The Hubby via Hubby’s employer Company Name and showing the same insurance plan number.

Copies of Confirmation Notice from Hubby’s employer, March 1, 2016 to May 2017 confirming Dependant eligibility for The Wife.

Copies of Beneficiary Summary from Hubby’s employer online system showing coverage of The Wife. (printed October 9, 2017)

Copies of selected statements from Anthem Blue Cross showing The Hubby as Subscriber and The Wife as Patient.

Exhibit 10:

2014, 2015, 2016 IRS tax return transcripts for The Hubby (SSN) showing Spouse The Wife (xxx-xx-xxxx was ITIN number for The Wife before she received her SSN xxx-xx-xxxx upon immigration in 2016)

2016 IRS tax return transcripts for The Wife (xxx-xx-xxxx) showing Spouse The Hubby (xxx-xx-xxxx)

Copy of 2016 refund check The Wife, sent to home address

Copy of 2014, 2015 and 2016 Canadian Tax Returns for The Wife showing status of “Married” and First name of Spouse as “Hubby”

Exhibit 11:

Copy of Durable Power of Attorney for Health for The Hubby showing wife as The Wife and dated December 21, 2016

Copy of Durable Power of Attorney for The Hubby showing wife as The Wife dated December 21, 2016

Copy of Last Will and Testament of The Hubby showing spouse as The Wife and dated December 21, 2016

Copy of Durable Power of Attorney for Health for The Wife showing husband as The Hubby and dated December 21, 2016

Copy of Durable Power of Attorney for The Wife showing husband as The Hubby dated December 21, 2016

Copy of Last Will and Testament of The Wife, showing spouse as The Hubby and dated December 21, 2016

Exhibit 12:

Tickets to Disturbed/Rob Zombie concert, May 3, 2016 and picture from concert

Tickets to Queensryche concert, May 6, 2016 and picture from concert

Tickets to Guess Who concert, June 16, 2016

Tickets to Weird Al concert July 15, 2016 and picture from concert

Tickets to Korn and Breaking Benjamin concert, October 9, 2016 and picture from concert

Tickets to Styx, October 20, 2017 concert and picture from concert.

Copy of receipt from Embassy Suites Hotel, February 17-19, 2017, weekend trip to Destin Florida

Copy of receipt from Embassy Suites Hotel May 26-27, 2017, Trip to Orlando Florida.

Copy of photo taken at Universal Studio’s, The Wizarding World of Harry Potter ride, May 25, 2017

Copy of boarding passes for The Wife and Hubby for cruise on Carnival Dream, December 26, 2016 to January 3, 2017 and copies of photo’s taken on the cruise

Copies of greeting cards, letters from family and friends addressed to us throughout the years

Copy of boarding passes for The Wife and Hubby for cruise on Holland America, November 4, 2017 to November 19, 2017 and copies of photo’s taken on the cruise.

Wow, thanks a lot! that is impressive

FrenchKat · March 23, 2018

Didn’t mean to put the sad face lol

yeah by the time you’ll be approve it will be more than 3 years as a green card holder then u can apply for your citizenship

i think it’s 5 years as a green card holder than u can apply for citizenship

AnGeLxX · March 23, 2018

14 hours ago, Marco&Bettina said:

Won't let me edit my previous post any more.

In Angel's case, they are further along than all of us discussing this, so they will likely be approved soon and won't need to file for an extension letter because they received one with the RFE. So they're good during the additional processing time, which shouldn't take anywhere near as long as it took to get the RFE.

True, I filed on march 20 2017. I got an extension letter 2-3 weeks after I filed last year. I didn't get one with the RFE. The extension letter is good until your GC expires, for me that is the end of May. 2 weeks before your extension letter expires you can get an I-551 stamp, if it takes longer.

I can apply for citizenship since Feb 2018. I have my GC 3 years this year and married for 4 in May.

Edited March 23, 2018 by AnGeLxX

Gina <3 Tina · March 23, 2018

Hello Everyone,

I have a question. When sending in copies of tax returns, credit cards, bank statements, etc with personal information on it, do we need to white out any of that information or leave as is?

AnGeLxX · March 23, 2018

46 minutes ago, Gina <3 Tina said:

Hello Everyone,

I have a question. When sending in copies of tax returns, credit cards, bank statements, etc with personal information on it, do we need to white out any of that information or leave as is?

I leave it as it is.. We didn't sent any copies of debit or credit cards because we didn't feel comfortable with sending that to them.

FrenchKat · March 23, 2018

I agree with Angel you have to be as transparent as possible 😏

NJI751 · March 23, 2018

@NovaSpringsLove your musical taste. Unfortunately my spouse doesn't share my taste in heavy music, so although I've been to see a lot of heavy metal bands, no "co-mingling" going on our musical journeys.

~Alessa~ · March 23, 2018

6 hours ago, FrenchKat said:

Didn’t mean to put the sad face lol

yeah by the time you’ll be approve it will be more than 3 years as a green card holder then u can apply for your citizenship

i think it’s 5 years as a green card holder than u can apply for citizenship

))) When you are married to the US citizen you can apply for citizenship after 3 years green card holding, not even 5so by the time my ROC is approved or even earlier I can apply for naturalization...That's frustrating that it takes a year for a ROC. :mellow:

~Alessa~ · March 23, 2018

6 hours ago, AnGeLxX said:

True, I filed on march 20 2017. I got an extension letter 2-3 weeks after I filed last year. I didn't get one with the RFE. The extension letter is good until your GC expires, for me that is the end of May. 2 weeks before your extension letter expires you can get an I-551 stamp, if it takes longer.

I can apply for citizenship since Feb 2018. I have my GC 3 years this year and married for 4 in May.

Hello! So your conditional green card expired last year and extension letter about to expire in may 2018?

Do you have to schedule an appointment in USCIS office to get an I-551 stamp?

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