A Billionaire and a Nurse Shouldn't Pay the Same Fine for Speeding...

[Jacque67 7,328]

3 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

The rich have personal responsibility too. No one ever said the behavior showed good character. 

Hahahaha. With a piddly speeding fine? As I said, visit Knightsbridge sometime. A speeding fine is nothing.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

2 minutes ago, Jacque67 said:

Hahahaha. With a piddly speeding fine? As I said, visit Knightsbridge sometime. A speeding fine is nothing.

It’s nothing for most people, and for most of those to whom it is, they don’t speed. 

[Jacque67 7,328]

1 minute ago, spookyturtle said:

It’s nothing for most people, and for most of those to whom it is, they don’t speed. 

So as I said if I can pay for the crime, no probs. Cool.

[smilesammich 10,727]

5 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

Do you think a rich person should pay a bigger fine for having an unlicensed dog?

whenever forking over money is the consequence for breaking the law, i believe the fine amount should be based in relation to the person's income. otherwise, the punishment is not equal.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Just now, smilesammich said:

whenever forking over money is the consequence for breaking the law, i believe the fine amount should be based in relation to the person's income. otherwise, the punishment is not equal.

So a percentage of ones income for every type of infraction? 

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, spookyturtle said:

So a percentage of ones income for every type of infraction? 

i don't know that you'd need to create the fine based on a percentage of each individual's income.  but a 100 fine is a massively different consequence to someone who makes 20,000 a year in comparison with someone who makes 100,000 a year.

[Dashinka 24,493]

58 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i suggest what i posted from the article, fines based on income. it's not that difficult.

So police departments are now allowed to access personal income information of the people they stop?  Seems that would be synonymous with accessing their immigration status?  Should we also allow them to access personal medical records?

[Dashinka 24,493]

45 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

All being equal, sure. The world sure ain't equal though  Some people are wealthy because they had wealthy parents. Why punish the poor, for being poor? Isn't the law supposed to be applied equally, so why are the rich being given a free pass to do what they want?

Some people are wealthy because they busted their butts as well.  I don’t think wealthy people are being given a free pass, they have to pay the fine if they are caught.

46 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

That was my first post in the thread.  No one is being forced to speed. It is a universal fine, black, white, male, female, any religion, ethnicity, etc pays the same. That’s fair and non discriminatory. 

Mimicry is the greatest form of flattery.

 

[Dashinka 24,493]

44 minutes ago, Jacque67 said:

Where's the blame? If you can afford to pay more for your crime, you should. 

So you are going to carry around all your personal income information so the officer can determine the appropriate fine?

[smilesammich 10,727]

7 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So police departments are now allowed to access personal income information of the people they stop?  Seems that would be synonymous with accessing their immigration status?  Should we also allow them to access personal medical records?

 do police officers set the fine amounts for traffic violations? no, they don't.

[Dashinka 24,493]

Just now, smilesammich said:

 do police officers set the fine amounts for traffic violations? no, they don't.

You have a point, but it still doesn’t answer the question as to who is going to verify the wealth of someone to make sure they are paying the proper fine?  To my knowledge, IRS records are considered personal, so if a police department, or prosecuting attorney needs to get them they need a signed warrant.  Will all traffic violations now need a court ordered warrant to determine that the proper fine is paid?

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

You have a point, but it still doesn’t answer the question as to who is going to verify the wealth of someone to make sure they are paying the proper fine?  To my knowledge, IRS records are considered personal, so if a police department, or prosecuting attorney needs to get them they need a signed warrant.  Will all traffic violations now need a court ordered warrant to determine that the proper fine is paid?

police department/prosecuting attorney again, is not charged with determining the proper fine amount and doesn't need your income. 

[Dashinka 24,493]

Just now, smilesammich said:

police department/prosecuting attorney again, is not charged with determining the proper fine amount and doesn't need your income. 

Someone will need to make sure the proper fine is paid.  So when you get a ticket, depending on the violation, you pay the fine and get the points that is set by the locale where the ticket is issued.  Using the premise of the OP, apparently there will be different columns of fines depending on a person’s wealth, so will this be self reliant on the offender to pay the fine based on their wealth?  What if they simply choose to pay the lowest fine, who verifies this?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

36 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i don't know that you'd need to create the fine based on a percentage of each individual's income.  but a 100 fine is a massively different consequence to someone who makes 20,000 a year in comparison with someone who makes 100,000 a year.

So the person who makes $100,000 should pay $500? If you make $1,000,000, it should be $5000? What about net worth? Do you think a $5000 fine hurts someone making a million a year? I’m guessing not.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

20 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

 do police officers set the fine amounts for traffic violations? no, they don't.

They don’t, but they enter the amount of the fine on the citation, so they have a standard they use.