A Billionaire and a Nurse Shouldn't Pay the Same Fine for Speeding...

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, -Trinity- said:

A friend of mine is a police officer, not in America,but apparently they have the same methods; they do have quota they need to meet. Especially at the end of the year ;-)

 

  They have a monthly quota here. Most people know it too. If you speed on those last few days around the end of the month, you stick out like a sore thumb. 

[jg121783 3,915]

31 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Here they charge $40 for speeding camera tickets. I'm not going to take a day off work and lose either money or vacation time over $40. They do spend time figuring out where to set the amount. If it was $150, many people would fight it. They know for many people paying $40 is the lesser of 2 evils. 

 

  

That is a good point. They set the fine at a price that hurts but not enough to go to court over it.

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5 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Actually they do. Just depends where you are. Municipalities love them as revenue generators.

Really? I must have been lucky then..or maybe I'm just not speeding. 

 

Florida seems like a state that wouldn't have camera's. But it's true, it's a revenue generator. People go easily 5/10 miles over the speed limit without noticing it, and they know that.

[TBoneTX 45,288]

poor people who cannot afford to pay the fine should recognize that their failure to pay a ticket has further consequences beyond the moment of the infraction.  Personal Responsibility.

This strikes on something that might "cost" richer people more than simply the amount of a fine:  a stain on the family name, setting a bad example for their children, or disapproval in their workplace.  Imagine if a higher corporate figure got a fistful of tickets (or even one, sometimes) -- if it were learned (or publicized), condemnation in their workplace might occur.  Those consequences would outweigh and outlast the mere paying of a fine.

[OriZ 3,157]

On 3/19/2018 at 11:12 AM, Póg mo said:

I agree with the article. Why should rich people get to break the law, just because they can afford a fine? 

It's  not just about the fine though. Even if you can afford that easily, if you keep getting pulled over eventually you'll lose your license, so there's plenty at stake for everyone in a pretty equal manner. That said, in some countries I know they do that, I believe Finland is one of them. I didn't read the article tbh so if it's already mentioned there I apologize lol, but seems to work quite well for them.

 

On 3/19/2018 at 11:33 AM, spookyturtle said:

Don’t speed. No fine.

You're from Boston man...you want us to believe you?

[Dashinka 24,494]

11 hours ago, -Trinity- said:

Yeah, that was really ridiculous. I would be driving back home late at night and next thing I know is: smile, you're caught on camera!!

 

FYI, I'm a very cautious driver. They just like to ticket driver's in the Netherlands.

Why not just send everyone a tax increase?

[OriZ 3,157]

just found this:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/34792272/ns/world_news-europe/t/traffic-fines-based-wealth-europe-tries-it/

[Dashinka 24,494]

13 hours ago, Jacque67 said:

 

No.if anyone posting here is a real billionaire feel free to DM me. As the original poster said"Wouldn't expect anything less from the NYTimes". Me neither. Excellent click bait.well chosen title and lede!

the middle-manager of Costco and the convenience store worker wouldn't get so many reactions, 

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Speed bumps are the way to go. Much more exciting.

Rotaries with concrete barriers in the middle so no one can drive across the center.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

8 minutes ago, OriZ said:

just found this:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/34792272/ns/world_news-europe/t/traffic-fines-based-wealth-europe-tries-it/

 

   Ouch, $290000 speeding ticket. I guess that might stop some from speeding.

[bcking 3,157]

23 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Ouch, $290000 speeding ticket. I guess that might stop some from speeding.

The guy in Switzerland was doing 60 in a 30 zone, and was a serial offender.

 

100% support that punishment.

 

Sadly that isn't an uncommon occurrence around me in Houston. I avoid the freeways like the plague since I've seen the most dangerous reckless drivers ever on Houston freeways. Problem is, even on streets they can be crazy. I have a 30 mph road I take home that is four lanes across (one way) and I frequently see people going 60, or turning left from the second to the right lane without looking. Freaking idiots.

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

Why not just send everyone a tax increase?

We were already paying road taxes, every quarter.

 

But in all fairness, all that money goes to improving the roads. You hardly won't find roads with potholes and bumpy structure.

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1 minute ago, -Trinity- said:

We were already paying road taxes, every quarter.

 

But in all fairness, all that money goes to improving the roads. You hardly won't find roads with potholes and bumpy structure.

Don't know about the road conditions, but I assumed they were better. 

[OriZ 3,157]

On 3/19/2018 at 2:04 PM, smilesammich said:

they sure don't do that here. or in ny. or in nj, that i can recall. police give the citation #, got to go to their website to find the amount.

Over here you know your amount as soon as you're pulled over.

 

On 3/20/2018 at 7:58 AM, IDWAF said:

You’re right, of course.  And I understand that the rich would need a much higher fine for any crime to be as much of a deterrent as a person with less disposable income.  That’s one of the luxuries of having more money.

 

I buy things today on a whim that I would have agonized about for weeks when I was younger.  It’s nothing to drop $50-100 on dinner nowadays, but that is out of the reach of some.  Does it make me a bad person for paying it?  No.  Does it mean I should pay more?  Well, technically, I am... more than I used to.  But it’s a slippery slope, with no real line in the sand.  Higher fines for the rich today, and soon we will need to bring our tax transcripts to the grocery stores and restaurants to see how much we will be charged for our food.  

Damn, man...in VT if you're done in a restaurant at under $70 you know you did it cheaply.

 

On 3/20/2018 at 8:30 AM, bcking said:

 

 

So if fines AREN'T intended to deter or punish people, then why do they exist? Just as a source of revenue?

Um, yeah, pretty much.

 

On 3/20/2018 at 7:13 AM, spookyturtle said:

Yep. Plenty of drunk drivers have been caught driver drunk after their license was suspended. Plenty of legal and illegals drive wth no license. And lots of people don’t file tax returns either. 

I wonder how people feel about the illegal aliens that are now allowed to drive in some states, speeding and getting into accidents. Should they not pay at all?

 

22 hours ago, bcking said:

 

 

Though if we are talking solely about speeding tickets I think the better deterrent would be increasing surveillance so people are caught more often. I think fines in that situation fail to work because most people who get a speeding ticket speed the majority of the time and don't get caught. Even if you are caught once, the vast majority of the time you "get away with it".

 

I would support far more speed cameras, and automatic systems to identify speeding and send tickets in the mail. If people couldn't get away with it, they would be less likely to do it. So for me it would be the frequency of the fine, not the individual total amount.

I completely disagree with you. I think there's already way too much emphasis on speeding as it is, just because it is such an easy revenue generator, instead of concentrating on what actually causes accidents - which isn't aggressive people speeding, but rather clueless idiots doing idiotic things, like switching lanes without looking or making sure there's enough room, or many other violations that to me are alot worse than speeding. Speeding might make it more lethal if and when it happens, but to me that's not a reason to not try to prevent it to start with. It is not the speeders causing most of the accidents, in my perecption they are usually better drivers than some of the ones out there who do cause accidents via their violations because they have no business being on the roads. I hate speed cameras and think they should be illegal, and in many countries they have realized that they don't improve safety, but at times actually worsen it, and in many places they are actually removing cameras, not adding new ones. And while technically it is "illegal", there are many illegal things that many people do in their daily lives, such as illegal downloading of games or movies, weed, etc. I see speeding as no different, especially when there are areas or states with different speeds. For example here I'd be an extreme speeder, because I believe the limits in this state are way too low, should probably be about 50% higher. I like the speed limits in Texas alot better, so I probably wouldn't be a speeder there. It varies greatly.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

3 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Rotaries with concrete barriers in the middle so no one can drive across the center.

 

      That doesn't sound so good for NB.

[Póg mo 1,749]

32 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Over here you know your amount as soon as you're pulled over.

 

Damn, man...in VT if you're done in a restaurant at under $70 you know you did it cheaply.

 

Um, yeah, pretty much.

 

I wonder how people feel about the illegal aliens that are now allowed to drive in some states, speeding and getting into accidents. Should they not pay at all?

 

I completely disagree with you. I think there's already way too much emphasis on speeding as it is, just because it is such an easy revenue generator, instead of concentrating on what actually causes accidents - which isn't aggressive people speeding, but rather clueless idiots doing idiotic things, like switching lanes without looking or making sure there's enough room, or many other violations that to me are alot worse than speeding. Speeding might make it more lethal if and when it happens, but to me that's not a reason to not try to prevent it to start with. It is not the speeders causing most of the accidents, in my perecption they are usually better drivers than some of the ones out there who do cause accidents via their violations because they have no business being on the roads. I hate speed cameras and think they should be illegal, and in many countries they have realized that they don't improve safety, but at times actually worsen it, and in many places they are actually removing cameras, not adding new ones. And while technically it is "illegal", there are many illegal things that many people do in their daily lives, such as illegal downloading of games or movies, weed, etc. I see speeding as no different, especially when there are areas or states with different speeds. For example here I'd be an extreme speeder, because I believe the limits in this state are way too low, should probably be about 50% higher. I like the speed limits in Texas alot better, so I probably wouldn't be a speeder there. It varies greatly.

Oh dear lord, I agree with Oriz. Yeah, terrible drivers in my experience, often drive at or below the speed limit.