NATIONAL SCHOOL WALKOUT LIVE: Students begin rally in solidarity to end gun violence

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, IDWAF said:

What requirements for a permit?

 

Pretty sure this is already done via the FBI BG check?

 

No issue with this one, but hard to do.  How does the law even know if they have a gun?

 

Define alcohol abuse?  DUIs only?

 

   Ten states have the requirement already. We could probably find out how they go about it. We don't have to re-invent the wheel necessarily.  

 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

3 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Ten states have the requirement already. We could probably find out how they go about it. We don't have to re-invent the wheel necessarily.  

 

 

Answer the rest as well, please.

 

I would say that it would be a very short step to go from BG checks and CCW permits to a more selective process.  Testing, perhaps?  Gun safety knowledge?  Maybe a mandatory hands-on course, but that would require some sort of standardization, and hopefully it would be not too expensive.  Slows the purchase process for first-time buyers, but that would have an additional benefit of reducing the chance that someone went out and bought a gun in anger to use it soon.  I think it has merit.  I think to help with the standardization, it would need to be done at the federal level.  

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Thanks for the NB friendly font

 

    Twenty years ago, I would have spent the time to resize everything. Dang though, it's 2018. If software can figure out my name, address, and what I am most likely to have for lunch tomorrow,  it should be able to format a copy and paste operation correctly. 

[TBoneTX 45,273]

The gun-banners and gun-restricters also overlook the reality that anyone with a little knowledge and the right tools can make his own guns.  Try policing that.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

6 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Answer the rest as well, please.

 

I would say that it would be a very short step to go from BG checks and CCW permits to a more selective process.  Testing, perhaps?  Gun safety knowledge?  Maybe a mandatory hands-on course, but that would require some sort of standardization, and hopefully it would be not too expensive.  Slows the purchase process for first-time buyers, but that would have an additional benefit of reducing the chance that someone went out and bought a gun in anger to use it soon.  I think it has merit.  I think to help with the standardization, it would need to be done at the federal level.  

 

  Are you able to see the article? I believe your questions are answered in the article and the embedded links. The only thing that wasn't really addressed in detail was the first one. Besides the 10 states that use this , we could also take a closer look at how Switzerland does this with purchase permits.

 

  I'm at work so I'm limited as a lot of firearms searches are blocked. Without getting into detail though, I think the main point is these are 4 areas that statistically seem to have some significant effect in limiting firearms homicides. 

[TBoneTX 45,273]

11 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

If we got rid of cars, alcohol, drugs, cell phones, doctors and guns, there would be a population explosion and people would be dying of starvation. We just can’t win. Mankind is doomed. 

Then it's equally simple:  ban population, explosions, death, starvation, and doom.  When's the walkout?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

Just now, TBoneTX said:

The gun-banners and gun-restricters also overlook the reality that anyone with a little knowledge and the right tools can make his own guns.  Try policing that.

 

  That's true. You could make your own nuclear reactor too, with the right tools, knowledge and perhaps a bit of luck. Doesn't mean you are going to. I have only heard of a couple of people who have pulled it off.

[TBoneTX 45,273]

The number of heard-of off-pullers is less the point than the non-outlandish reality that it can be done.

And who knows (I don't) what 3-D printers will be capable of.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

11 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  That's true. You could make your own nuclear reactor too, with the right tools, knowledge and perhaps a bit of luck. Doesn't mean you are going to. I have only heard of a couple of people who have pulled it off.

Sadly, it’s very easy, much more so than I would have believed a week ago.  Was talking to the owner of a gun parts store the other day.  Said a guy came in and bought a polymer pistol blank (not really blank), went home to use his dremel on it, and about 20 minutes later, was back in the store to buy a barrel and slide.  No BG check required.  And the guy had a 9mm pistol, unregistered and fully functional. Something that anyone with a little dexterity with tools could do.  Blew me away.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

30 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Are you able to see the article? I believe your questions are answered in the article and the embedded links. The only thing that wasn't really addressed in detail was the first one. Besides the 10 states that use this , we could also take a closer look at how Switzerland does this with purchase permits.

 

  I'm at work so I'm limited as a lot of firearms searches are blocked. Without getting into detail though, I think the main point is these are 4 areas that statistically seem to have some significant effect in limiting firearms homicides. 

I read it after I posted to you before, but wanted to hear your thoughts.  And other than the DUI thing, I don’t really see the others working.  Especially the method of the permits they mention.  As I have stated elsewhere about the current convention of private sales of guns... how to do you stop it?  How do we ensure that if you are selling me a gun, you care enough to make sure I have a permit?  What will incentivize me to go and GET said permit in the first place to have it to show you. And if I have one, but you don’t care... does it really matter?  IDK, maybe I’m too pessimistic, but I see it as way too easy to circumvent. 

#4 could help, #2 is already being done, except perhaps for the punching my neighbor part (which I don’t see as a reason to ban gun purchases because of, unless there is a pattern/trend), #1 above, and #3 could have an effect, but only if the perp admits to owning guns. 

Edited March 17, 2018 by IDWAF

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, IDWAF said:

I read it after I posted to you before, but wanted to hear your thoughts.  And other than the DUI thing, I don’t really see the others working.  Especially the method of the permits they mention.  As I have stated elsewhere about the current convention of private sales of guns... how to do you stop it?  How do we ensure that if you are selling me a gun, you care enough to make sure I have a permit?  What will incentivize me to go and GET said permit in the first place to have it to show you. And if I have one, but you don’t care... does it really matter?  IDK, maybe I’m too pessimistic, but I see it as way too easy to circumvent. 

#4 could help, #2 is already being done, except perhaps for the punching my neighbor part (which I don’t see as a reason to ban gun purchases because of, unless there is a pattern/trend), #1 above, and #3 could have an effect, but only if the perp admits to owning guns. 

 

     I'm not sure if it's still this way, but years ago there was only 1 rest stop between Cheyenne and Casper Wyoming, a distance of about 180 miles.  The highway on either side is miles of farmland and nothing, and you can drive for an hour without seeing another car. Then you get to the rest stop and there are cars backed up and people waiting. So you really need to go, but you have another 20 minutes to wait and you start to think why don't I just pull over on the road ahead. No one will know. The answer for many is, you don't because it's illegal. The answer for others may be to pull over.

 

    The simple act of something being illegal does stop some people. It's the reason I withdraw money from my own account at the bank rather than just taking it from the safe. Now the response is usually criminals will do the wrong thing so they will still have guns. That overlooks the fact that most of the mass shooting perpetrators were not career criminals. They didn't wake up one morning as 8 year old kids and think, "hey one day I'm gonna kill a whole bunch of people and I need a plan". Most of them were young people with psychiatric issues who happened to snap. Most of them had prior access to firearms. We made it easy for them. If it was illegal for them to have firearms, would they all have had a backup plan? Would they all have figured out how to use 3D printers or obtain black market parts. The answer is probably some would have and some wouldn't. By extension, maybe some of the mass shootings that have happened would not have occurred. That is what these regulations are about. 

   

    

   

[smilesammich 10,727]

10 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Ten states have the requirement already.

 

 

so, by ten states you mean nationwide, right?

[Boiler 45,482]

4 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

so, by ten states you mean nationwide, right?

I would like other States to be as strict as Colorado, and to have the same reciprocity as there are for Drivers License. Taking guns across State borders can be a nightmare, especially if you conceal carry.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

On 3/16/2018 at 11:50 AM, Nature Boy Flair said:

Ohio Student Suspended for Refusing to Leave Classroom During Gun Control Walkout

 

https://ijr.com/2018/03/1076385-ohio-student-suspended-refusing-to-leave-classroom/

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

6 hours ago, smilesammich said:

so, by ten states you mean nationwide, right?

I’m not a math teacher, but since 10 is 1/5 of 50, I wouldn’t say that was nationwide.  To most people, that would require 50 states, or nearly so.  What you are referring to is a smattering.  Werds means things.