The Pennsylvania special election shows the 2018 House battleground is enormous

[Jacque67 7,328]

1 hour ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Two scoops!

It was a hair net. Mea culpa.

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Despite what Trump and other people tried to paint in the run up to this election,

 

Lamb is not a "typical democrat", and I don't think his win is that huge of a deal. He is fairly conservative on many issues. I don't think that kind of election is going to come up in that many places later in the year, though I can't claim I'm well versed in the open positions and who is running.

 

If all the democrats care about is the colour on a map then sure it's exciting that he won, but based on how he campaigned he doesn't appear to be someone who will always be relied on to vote with his party. Unless his actions differ drastically from his words (which of course can happen, as it always does).

[charmander 692]

 

Lamb winning by 627 votes, Libertarian Drew Miller got 1379 votes. He might have a point with his tweet.

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5 minutes ago, charmander said:

 

Lamb winning by 627 votes, Libertarian Drew Miller got 1379 votes. He might have a point with his tweet.

If he hadn't run you would have to ask yourself

 

1. How many of the people who voted for him just wouldn't have voted at all (Since they didn't have a candidate they supported)

2. How many of the people who voted for him would have voted for Lamb?

 

The Republican candidate would have needed to get about half of Miller's votes, with Lamb getting none and the other half just "staying home" (Or voting Red).

 

But yes I'm sure people will blame him.

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The other fun stuff to look out for in the coming days -

 

All the ways the White House and Trump specifically can try to argue that Saccone wasn't the right person, that they knew he wouldn't win, that they never really supported him, and that they wanted someone else.

 

Trump was there on Saturday was it, supporting the man? How things can change in 5 days I imagine.

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18 minutes ago, bcking said:

Lamb is not a "typical democrat", and I don't think his win is that huge of a deal. He is fairly conservative on many issues. I don't think that kind of election is going to come up in that many places later in the year, though I can't claim I'm well versed in the open positions and who is running.

That's expected and totally fine. A typical republican has zero chance of winning in Massachusetts, and a typical democrat has zero chance of winning in Mississippi.

 

Lamb's win is not a huge deal but indicates only with the right candidates they might have a chance in the midterms.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

20 minutes ago, bcking said:

Despite what Trump and other people tried to paint in the run up to this election,

 

Lamb is not a "typical democrat", and I don't think his win is that huge of a deal. He is fairly conservative on many issues. I don't think that kind of election is going to come up in that many places later in the year, though I can't claim I'm well versed in the open positions and who is running.

 

If all the democrats care about is the colour on a map then sure it's exciting that he won, but based on how he campaigned he doesn't appear to be someone who will always be relied on to vote with his party. Unless his actions differ drastically from his words (which of course can happen, as it always does).

 All of the above is true. Was is more interesting though is that the 20 point shift occurred despite the 5x money, two Tump visits and  touting the tax cut which should resonate in this area. 

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1 hour ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

 All of the above is true. Was is more interesting though is that the 20 point shift occurred despite the 5x money, two Tump visits and  touting the tax cut which should resonate in this area. 

Saccone was a weak candidate, who didn't try hard enough. It's all his fault.

 

Are things that some people in a big white house may say...

[charmander 692]

6 minutes ago, bcking said:

Saccone was a weak candidate, who didn't try hard enough. It's all his fault.

 

Are things that some people in a big white house may say...

Saccone's past two election results: he won '14 by 60-40 margin, and '16 by 70-30 margin. He won the primary for this race by a 15 point margin. He didn't have any controversy like Judge Moore. Unless he did something terrible in 2017, I can't see how he was weak.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2017/02/27/State-Rep-Rick-Saccone-announces-his-U-S-Senate-bid-in-Capitol/stories/201702270160

 

But let's don't worry about all that, Fox&Friends has a good theory why Lamb won. http://thehill.com/homenews/media/378346-fox-friends-host-on-pennsylvania-house-race-cuteness-counts

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Just now, charmander said:

Saccone's past two election results: he won '14 by 60-40 margin, and '16 by 70-30 margin. He won the primary for this race by a 15 point margin. He didn't have any controversy like Judge Moore. Unless he did something terrible in 2017, I can't see how he was weak.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2017/02/27/State-Rep-Rick-Saccone-announces-his-U-S-Senate-bid-in-Capitol/stories/201702270160

 

But let's don't worry about all that, Fox&Friends has a good theory why Lamb won. http://thehill.com/homenews/media/378346-fox-friends-host-on-pennsylvania-house-race-cuteness-counts

I'm not saying he was weak. I'm joking because I'm sure once the election is finalized Trump will back peddle and argue he never really supported him and he knew he wasn't going to win.

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Just now, bcking said:

I'm not saying he was weak. I'm joking because I'm sure once the election is finalized Trump will back peddle and argue he never really supported him and he knew he wasn't going to win.

Oh that's for sure coming. The polls predicted a 5-6 point victory by Lamb. Trump would claim due to his efforts it turned out to be a very close race. He would probably delete his supporting tweets tonight just as he did with Big Luther.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Just now, bcking said:

I'm not saying he was weak. I'm joking because I'm sure once the election is finalized Trump will back peddle and argue he never really supported him and he knew he wasn't going to win.

*pedal

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20 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

*pedal

Haha yes indeed...

 

I guess I could argue Trump will try to...."sell" (peddle)....us on the fact that he didn't ever support him?  

 

But yes I was wrong, thanks for the correction.

 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

15 minutes ago, bcking said:

Haha yes indeed...

 

I guess I could argue Trump will try to...."sell" (peddle)....us on the fact that he didn't ever support him?  

 

But yes I was wrong, thanks for the correction.

 

 

And a good retort on peddling.

 

Who knows what Trump will tweet?  Never really care, honestly. 

[Ban Hammer 13,509]

2 hours ago, IDWAF said:

*pedal

he is using the nb dictionary.