ICE Spokesman Quits Over Leaders' Use Of 'Misleading Facts' To Discuss Calif. Arrests

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30 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

again, your take. but not a surprising one considering you'll excuse just about anything from the trump admin.

It is your logic I am following. 

7 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

haha. no i do. i'm already enlightened.

That was funny!

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6 hours ago, smilesammich said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/13/593104213/ice-spokesman-quits-over-leaders-use-of-misleading-facts-to-discuss-calif-arrest

 

WHHHHAAATTTT???? trump lied? by god this is ground breaking - a first time occurrence - everyone quick mark your calendars..

Ya see, it’s all about perspective, and what one chooses to believe because it fits their own personal agenda.

 

Meanwhile, back at ICE, they maintain stats for all to see:

 

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The FY2017 statistics clearly demonstrate ICE’s continued commitment to identifying, arresting, and removing aliens who are in violation of U.S. law, particularly those posing a public safety or national security threat, while restoring fidelity to the rule of law. In FY2017, ICE ERO conducted 143,470 overall administrative arrests, which is the highest number of administrative arrests over the past three fiscal years. Of these arrests, 92 percent had a criminal conviction, a pending criminal charge, were an ICE fugitive or were processed with a reinstated final order. In FY2017, ICE conducted 226,119 removals. While this is a slight overall decrease from the prior fiscal year, the proportion of removals resulting from ICE arrests increased from 65,332, or 27 percent of total removals in FY2016 to 81,603, or 36 percent of total removals, in FY2017.  These results clearly demonstrate profound, positive impact of the EO. The 17 percent decrease in border removals shows the deterrent effect of strong interior enforcement, while the increase in interior removals restores the integrity of our nation’s immigration system and enhances the safety and security of the United States.

 

https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2017

 

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4 hours ago, jg121783 said:

In other words you don't have an answer to my question.

You have a better chance of winning the PowerBall than of getting a straight answer.

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5 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Ya see, it’s all about perspective, and what one chooses to believe because it fits their own personal agenda.

 

Meanwhile, back at ICE, they maintain stats for all to see:

 

 

https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2017

 

no, if you actually read the op you'd know that this isn't about 2017 removal statistics found on ice's website. and don't try to come back and say you read it, because you clearly didn't. at all. i don't think you even read the title.

 

3 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

You have a better chance of winning the PowerBall than of getting a straight answer.

when you get your info from the likes of daily caller and breitbart, winning the power ball is all the hope you have. true dat.

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5 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

no, if you actually read the op you'd know that this isn't about 2017 removal statistics found on ice's website. and don't try to come back and say you read it, because you clearly didn't. at all. i don't think you even read the title.

 

when you get your info from the likes of daily caller and breitbart, winning the power ball is all the hope you have. true dat.

Ok, I didn’t read it.  You know what I have and haven’t done, right? What an amazing talent.

 

What I can say is that when Trump spoke about the percentage of criminal illegal aliens, he was pretty accurate, because he gets briefed on those numbers, which are also readily available to we the people.  And it stands to reason, since under the last administration, ICE has had their hands tied in making arrests of non-criminals.  So it makes perfect sense that while overall deportations are going down, the percentage of criminals has risen, since that is who is being targeted.

 

But you go and believe one person if that fits your narrative.  I’ll stick with the DOJ, FBI, CDC, and ICE stats, personally.

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3 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Ok, I didn’t read it.  You know what I have and haven’t done, right? What an amazing talent.

 

What I can say is that when Trump spoke about the percentage of criminal illegal aliens, he was pretty accurate, because he gets briefed on those numbers, which are also readily available to we the people.  And it stands to reason, since under the last administration, ICE has had their hands tied in making arrests of non-criminals.  So it makes perfect sense that while overall deportations are going down, the percentage of criminals has risen, since that is who is being targeted.

 

But you go and believe one person if that fits your narrative.  I’ll stick with the DOJ, FBI, CDC, and ICE stats, personally.

and you're still talking about unrelated ho-hum. actually in context with the op, you're talking nonsense.

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Just now, smilesammich said:

and you're still talking about unrelated ho-hum. actually in context with the op, you're talking nonsense.

It’s all related, dearie.  Just because you cannot connect the dots doesn’t mean others cannot see the big picture.

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1 minute ago, IDWAF said:

It’s all related, dearie.  Just because you cannot connect the dots doesn’t mean others cannot see the big picture.

this is the big picture:

 

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"Personally I think her actions were misguided and not responsible," Schwab told CNN. "I think she could have had other options. But to blame her for 800 dangerous people out there is just false. It's a false statement because we never pick up 100 percent of our targets. And to say they're a type of dangerous criminal is also misleading."

Of the battle over how to properly characterize the events, Schwab said, "I've never been in this situation in 16, almost 17 years in government where someone asked me to deflect when we absolutely knew something was awry — when the data was not correct."

 

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In any sort of sting operation or police sweep, there are anticipated goals.  Numbers of criminals, pounds of illicit drugs, a particular number of monies to be brought to light.  And often, those numbers are exaggerated, based on intel.  And rarely does any such operation result in the capture of all the intended targets.  If 500 are targeted, some smaller number will be apprehended.  But that doesn’t reduce the target at all.  Happens all the time.  The main difference in this case, that makes it news worthy, is because the informant that tipped off the targets was SUPPOSED to be on the side of the law.  Yet she acted outside the law.  Saying 800 or so targets were missed because of her actions is simply what any good prosecuting attorney would present in the case against her.  In reality, it would get plead down to a more reasonable number.

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21 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

It’s all related, dearie.  Just because you cannot connect the dots doesn’t mean others cannot see the big picture.

 

17 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

this is the big picture:

 

 

The big picture is a public official committed multiple felonies and should be prosecuted for them.

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4 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

In any sort of sting operation or police sweep, there are anticipated goals.  Numbers of criminals, pounds of illicit drugs, a particular number of monies to be brought to light.  And often, those numbers are exaggerated, based on intel.  And rarely does any such operation result in the capture of all the intended targets.  If 500 are targeted, some smaller number will be apprehended.  But that doesn’t reduce the target at all.  Happens all the time.  The main difference in this case, that makes it news worthy, is because the informant that tipped off the targets was SUPPOSED to be on the side of the law.  Yet she acted outside the law.  Saying 800 or so targets were missed because of her actions is simply what any good prosecuting attorney would present in the case against her.  In reality, it would get plead down to a more reasonable number.

still off the mark. you don't think an ice spokesman is aware of the concept of goals? i haven't said anything one way or the other about the mayor. and the ice spokesman speaking to the media isn't acting as a prosecuting attorney. 

1 minute ago, jg121783 said:

 

The big picture is a public official committed multiple felonies and should be prosecuted for them.

for real? is that why the ice spokesman quit? 

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3 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

still off the mark. you don't think an ice spokesman is aware of the concept of goals? i haven't said anything one way or the other about the mayor. and the ice spokesman speaking to the media isn't acting as a prosecuting attorney. 

for real? is that why the ice spokesman quit? 

Regardless of who quit what that doesn't change the fact that felonies were committed as much as the sanctuary city supporting left would like to deflect from that fact.

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Just now, jg121783 said:

Regardless of who quit what that doesn't change the fact that felonies were committed as much as the sanctuary city supporting left would like to deflect from that fact.

the op is about the ice spokesman who quit and why he quit. maybe your comments will matter when the op is about the justice department bringing charges against the mayor. 

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Just now, smilesammich said:

the op is about the ice spokesman who quit and why he quit. maybe your comments will matter when the op is about the justice department bringing charges against the mayor. 

I am not going off topic because the topic of the op is very closely related to the felonies committed by the mayor. I'm simply pointing out that this resignation is irrelevant as far as criminal charges go.

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In response, Schaaf said, "How dare you vilify members of our community by trying to frighten the American public into thinking that all undocumented residents are dangerous criminals? ... How dare you distort the reality about declining violent crime rates in a diverse, sanctuary city like Oakland to advance a racist agenda?"

California Gov. Jerry Brown criticized Sessions and called on him to apologize, saying his claims about Schaaf were "simply not true" and were politically motivated.