Ex-Russian spy poisoning looks to be 'state-sponsored,' UK lawmaker says

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

3 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

putin might believe this was done by jews. or maybe that was just the us election meddling.

Meddling is what a sister in law does.  They interfered with our election process, full stop.

[smilesammich 10,727]

7 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Meddling is what a sister in law does.  They interfered with our election process, full stop.

putin is too busy to interfere or meddle.

[Dashinka 24,499]

16 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

This is not an open and shut case. It is one filled with inaccuracies, suspicion, and still ongoing investigation. Why does it seem a stretch? You don't believe they have murdered heads of state and political opponents before? The list of dead bodies is a long one.

 

If, lol. What good does empty condemnation do?

Please provide a list of the heads of state that the Russian government has assassinated?  It does seem a little reckless that you seem to be promoting a hot war with Russia, you do know that they still possess nuclear weapons.

[Boiler 45,517]

20 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

This is not an open and shut case. It is one filled with inaccuracies, suspicion, and still ongoing investigation. Why does it seem a stretch? You don't believe they have murdered heads of state and political opponents before? The list of dead bodies is a long one.

 

If, lol. What good does empty condemnation do?

What do you want them to do?

[yuna628 9,676]

3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Please provide a list of the heads of state that the Russian government has assassinated?  It does seem a little reckless that you seem to be promoting a hot war with Russia, you do know that they still possess nuclear weapons.

I'm not promoting a war with Russia. I gave a starting point of things that should have been done long ago. NK and many other countries also possess nukes. That doesn't seem to stop some from banging war drums. We've made a deal with the devil, and one day the devil wants his due. We used to stand up to people... no more apparently.

1 minute ago, Boiler said:

What do you want them to do?

Already said. What do you want them to do? Continue to cower to a country that murders people because they know we aren't serious and too fearful to stop them?

[Boiler 45,517]

11 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I'm not promoting a war with Russia. I gave a starting point of things that should have been done long ago. NK and many other countries also possess nukes. That doesn't seem to stop some from banging war drums. We've made a deal with the devil, and one day the devil wants his due. We used to stand up to people... no more apparently.

Already said. What do you want them to do? Continue to cower to a country that murders people because they know we aren't serious and too fearful to stop them?

Apart from not cowering is there anything you want them to do?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Well in 2010 they murdered the Polish president and many others. That still apparently wasn't enough. Nor was invading other countries... or blowing up a plane with a missile. Or poisoning people, murdering journalists or political opponents inside and outside the country.

 

Russia will not stop doing the things they are doing, because they feel they can get away with it. How would you intend to make them stop?

 

 

That’s a pretty bold statement to make.  Do you have evidence of this that the rest of the world didn’t obtain?

 

That Polish flight crashed into trees on final approach into the airport.  How is that a murder being carried out by the Russians?  Sounds more like pilot error to me.

 

Transcript: http://www.krakowpost.com/2132/2010/06/smolensk-crash-transcript-excerpts-in-english

 

 

And no, the investigation is NOT still ongoing, as per your claim, anywhere that I can find.  Do you have a source for such?

2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

This is not an open and shut case. It is one filled with inaccuracies, suspicion, and still ongoing investigation. Why does it seem a stretch? You don't believe they have murdered heads of state and political opponents before? The list of dead bodies is a long one.

 

If, lol. What good does empty condemnation do?

 

[yuna628 9,676]

2 hours ago, Boiler said:

Apart from not cowering is there anything you want them to do?

Already mentioned several posts ago. How about you?

10 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

That’s a pretty bold statement to make.  Do you have evidence of this that the rest of the world didn’t obtain?

 

That Polish flight crashed into trees on final approach into the airport.  How is that a murder being carried out by the Russians?  Sounds more like pilot error to me.

 

Transcript: http://www.krakowpost.com/2132/2010/06/smolensk-crash-transcript-excerpts-in-english

 

 

And no, the investigation is NOT still ongoing, as per your claim, anywhere that I can find.  Do you have a source for such?

 

You can start off at the Wikipedia page, where it'll tell you there's a report and disputes still ongoing.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash#New_Polish_investigation That doesn't much matter though because the rest is easily findable on google. One working theory is that explosives and coverup were involved. The subject has led many in Poland to believe that assassination occurred. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poland-new-evidence-suggests-russia-may-have-killed-the-countrys-former-president/article/2631064  http://www.dw.com/en/smolensk-plane-crash-divides-poland-to-this-day/a-38373842  https://www.thedailybeast.com/did-putin-blow-up-the-whole-polish-government-in-2010-a-second-look  https://news.sky.com/story/smolensk-crash-explosions-on-board-before-plane-hit-ground-investigator-says-11233792  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-smolensk-inquiry/polish-leaders-jet-probably-exploded-just-before-2010-crash-commission-idUSKBN17C20T

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

13 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Already mentioned several posts ago. How about you?

You can start off at the Wikipedia page, where it'll tell you there's a report and disputes still ongoing.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash#New_Polish_investigation That doesn't much matter though because the rest is easily findable on google. One working theory is that explosives and coverup were involved. The subject has led many in Poland to believe that assassination occurred. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poland-new-evidence-suggests-russia-may-have-killed-the-countrys-former-president/article/2631064  http://www.dw.com/en/smolensk-plane-crash-divides-poland-to-this-day/a-38373842  https://www.thedailybeast.com/did-putin-blow-up-the-whole-polish-government-in-2010-a-second-look  https://news.sky.com/story/smolensk-crash-explosions-on-board-before-plane-hit-ground-investigator-says-11233792  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-smolensk-inquiry/polish-leaders-jet-probably-exploded-just-before-2010-crash-commission-idUSKBN17C20T

 

No, I cannot start off with Wikipedia, because anyone can (and does) edit those entries.  

 

There was no explosion heard on the CVR.  Just pilots who messed up and got low on the ILS approach, and then FAILED to do anything about it when the TWAS warned them THREE TIMES to do something.  The first two are cautions, designed to get your attention and see what’s up.  The third is a warning, and immediate action is required (but wasn’t done).  When TWAS said PULL UP, had they discontinued the approach they would most likely be alive today. 

 

Not that crash investigations around the world are as thorough as via the NTSB here in the US, but by would evidence “suddenly come to light” about explosive residue 8 years later?  

Edited March 13, 2018 by IDWAF

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9 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Get serious about what?  What is the UK going to do?

The same what they did with Gadaffi... after Lockerbie... anyone?

 

Apparently Russia can do all kinds of stuff, and get away with it. Without any consequences.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/world/asia/malaysia-air-flight-mh17-russia-ukraine-missile.html

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko

 

Edited March 13, 2018 by -Trinity-

[Jacque67 7,328]

Oh my.

https://www.politico.eu/article/nikolai-glushkov-boris-berezovsky-russian-exile-found-dead-in-london/

found with strangulation marks around his neck...

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

8 hours ago, Boiler said:

Apart from not cowering is there anything you want them to do?

All of NATO: Sanctions, Boycott the World Cup, Restrict visas for Russian Dimplomats, Embargo equipment that would allow Russia to expand oil production. 

[Boiler 45,517]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/13/sergei-skripal-spy-poisoning-russia-uk-sanctions-eu-lack-consensus

 

Discussing the EU’s approach to sanctions, one official said the Salisbury poisoning episode “makes it more likely we keep what we have got. The consensus has been beginning to crack”.

Hardly any frontrank politician in Italy, for instance, favours sanctions against Russia even if some oppose them simply because they are seen as ineffective.

[Jacque67 7,328]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5495379/Was-Russian-spy-poisoned-CAR-Police-issue-fresh-appeal.html

 

possibly poisoned by the Russian nerve agent smeared on his car door handle. Wear gloves, peeps.

[bcking 3,157]

4 minutes ago, Jacque67 said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5495379/Was-Russian-spy-poisoned-CAR-Police-issue-fresh-appeal.html

 

possibly poisoned by the Russian nerve agent smeared on his car door handle. Wear gloves, peeps.

You probably only have to worry if you were a former member of Russian military that defected and gave up names of your former comrades.

 

I doubt anyone is going to smear a Russian nerve agent on my car door...