Heroin now kills more people than guns:

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

3 hours ago, Póg mo said:

a) nobody is expecting you to this arm. 

b) where do criminals get all there guns? 

a) untrue

b) baby boomers

[Póg mo 1,749]

3 hours ago, Póg mo said:

a) nobody is expecting you to this arm. 

b) where do criminals get all there guns? 

*disarm not this arm. ADHD with dyslexic tendencies can be really annoying at times. Seriously, I think I need my own personal secretory to write my posts.

Edited March 14, 2018 by Póg mo

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

11 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

*disarm not this arm. ADHD with dyslexic tendencies can be really annoying at times. Seriously, I think I need my own personal secretory to write my posts.

I understood what you meant.  Thankfully, I am fluent in NB.

[TBoneTX 45,319]

4 hours ago, Póg mo said:

personal secretory

Uh, is this legal in public?

[OriZ 3,157]

Considering 30 times more people die in a year in car accidents vs gun related deaths I say we teach people how to drive before we talk about gun control.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

18 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Considering 30 times more people die in a year in car accidents vs gun related deaths I say we teach people how to drive before we talk about gun control.

Awww, man, you gonna get a straw man timeout for talking like that!

[OriZ 3,157]

1 hour ago, IDWAF said:

Awww, man, you gonna get a straw man timeout for talking like that!

lol I was actually wrong it's closer to 40 times not 30. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

11 hours ago, Póg mo said:

*disarm not this arm. ADHD with dyslexic tendencies can be really annoying at times. Seriously, I think I need my own personal secretory to write my posts.

Darn I understood you and did not know you had made a mistake until you pointed it out 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Not to take away from the OP, but drug overdose deaths have been higher than gun deaths for a good many years now.  

[bcking 3,157]

6 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Not to take away from the OP, but drug overdose deaths have been higher than gun deaths for a good many years now.  

Your point is?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

44 minutes ago, bcking said:

Your point is?

Well one point is, that if we truly want to protect the well being of the public it seems a  dialogue on Drug abuse and inner city hand gun violence, would have the power  to potentially to save many 1000's of more lives, than discussions on assault style weapons. 

 

Death by assault riffle is way way way down the list of causes we could undertake  take to make a real difference 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Couldn't have said it better, NB.  Using uncommon sense, we have the power to prevent many thousands of deaths in America. 

 

I'm a lot more concerned with medical mistakes and drug addiction.   So much so that I avoid going to doctors and taking medicine.  But just in case, I also have a metric butt load of insurance to protect me from negligent doctors.

 

Never have I witnessed someone getting shot, nor worried about it myself.  But I have seen two women killed by a careless doctor, and nearly caused a scene in a hospital keeping that same doctor out of my wife's operating room.

[Póg mo 1,749]

59 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Darn I understood you and did not know you had made a mistake until you pointed it out 

I figured people would, but it really bugs me sometimes when I set out to write a sentence and I either leave out words or write an incorrect word because I don't spend the time needed to check what I wrote, before posting.

 

[bcking 3,157]

9 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Well one point is, that if we truly want to protect the well being of the public it seems a  dialogue on Drug abuse and inner city hand gun violence, would have the power  to potentially to save many 1000's of more lives, than discussions on assault style weapons. 

 

Death by assault riffle is way way way down the list of causes we could undertake  take to make a real difference 

 

2 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Couldn't have said it better, NB.  Using uncommon sense, we have the power to prevent many thousands of deaths in America. 

 

I'm a lot more concerned with medical mistakes and drug addiction.   So much so that I avoid going to doctors and taking medicine.  But just in case, I also have a metric butt load of insurance to protect me from negligent doctors.

 

Never have I witnessed someone getting shot, nor worried about it myself.  But I have seen two women killed by a careless doctor, and nearly caused a scene in a hospital keeping that same doctor out of my wife's operating room.

Can we not do both? Does our country have such limited resources that we can invest in research and discuss possible improvements to both causes of death? I agree from a "comparative effectiveness" point of view (which is something I work with a lot) that opioid addiction is a more cost-effective target, but in the United States I see no reason why we can't invest time in both. They aren't mutually exclusive. If we focus on solving our opioid crisis, it's not like we can't talk about guns at the same time.

 

How is this any different than what Oriz said about deaths from motor vehicles?

[LionessDeon 2,060]

On 3/9/2018 at 3:01 PM, Ban Hammer said:

On the left, a lethal dose of heroin; on the right, a lethal dose of fentanyl. New Hampshire State Police Forensic Lab

https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/29/why-fentanyl-is-deadlier-than-heroin/

 

They call it white china here.  I personally know 4 people (including my nephew whose funeral is tomorrow, age 27) who have died from heroin ODs.    I agree is it a huge epidemic with middle class whites 18-40.