Judge Denies Marriage License

[Sinergy 3]

I say rubber bullets aren't hard enough. Nothing wrong with the real thing.

I can ignore a lot of crazy ###### from a lot of crazy people but this...#######???

My thought exactly, tho she wouldnt feel that way if her fiance or husband or someone in her family was illegal or even a friend. My thought, ignore the rantings of a crazy person Melissa

[pedroh 21]

I say rubber bullets aren't hard enough. Nothing wrong with the real thing.

####### is wrong with you?

[slim 1,525]

Well, that is Mexico's policy on their Southern boarder.

(Not condoning the use of real bullets on illegal aliens, just saying... it is Mexico's policy.)

Edited May 3, 2007 by slim

[almaty 19]

i doubt if mexico guns down illegal aliens as the proof is allot of central americans cross the border from mexico into usa..so, why are they still walking all the way up the country of mexico if they are being shot

Edited May 3, 2007 by almaty

[slim 1,525]

Not that it's happening often, but it is the policy.

[Alex+R 0]

Regardless of whether that's true or not, we're the ones trying to coerce them into tightening their borders.

[William33 110]

More rubber bullets for the protesting illegals!!!

Get the ** out, and apply like the rest!!!

dude, police used excessive force, they gonna get so PWNED, they also attack tv crew, u know TV companies are very fond of that lol

I think not. Illegals have no rights and need to bail out...Over the US line......

so just cuz they're illegals you can beat them down, or be abused? or you can just shoot at them for sh!tz and giggles? and yes, police used excesssive force, it's everywhere now..

I agree, they are illegal, and should not be here, and should not be treated as if they do have rights bc of being illegal, but beating them up??? legal or illegal, they are still human beings and shouldnt be subject to physical abuse.

No, I am not advocating a beat down on the basis of their illegal status. I am suggesting that LA police used an appropriate level of force, given the unruly crowd.

did u see how the beat the cameramen with the batons? I can't see cameramen as 'unruly'..

No, I missed that. Maybe it was paparazzi, you know they deserve it!!!

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Not that it's happening often, but it is the policy.

Whatever “rights” an illegal alien may enjoy in the country that he or she has unlawfully entered is open to debate, and indeed is being debated. However, there’s general agreement that those rights include not being robbed, beaten, or raped.

Even those rights are being denied to thousands of clandestine border-crossers into southern Mexico from Central America. Often the perpetrators work for the federal immigration department.

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An Associated Press story on the front page of Wednesday's Star contained an eye-popping account of Mexico's mistreatment of illegal immigrants from Central America. The story said that illegal entrants are considered felons in Mexico and many are routinely robbed, beaten or raped by police or the military. Some are shot to death.

While many Mexicans vociferously denounce the criminalization of Mexicans living illegally in the United States, Mexico itself classifies those who enter its borders illegally as felons subject to deportation or two years in prison.

In fact, illegal immigrants in Mexico are treated so poorly that it's hardly any wonder that Central Americans try to get out of Mexico and into the United States as quickly as possible. At least if they're caught here there's much less of a chance they'll be robbed, raped, beaten or killed.

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[isleta521 5]

Not that it's happening often, but it is the policy.

Whatever “rights” an illegal alien may enjoy in the country that he or she has unlawfully entered is open to debate, and indeed is being debated. However, there’s general agreement that those rights include not being robbed, beaten, or raped.

Even those rights are being denied to thousands of clandestine border-crossers into southern Mexico from Central America. Often the perpetrators work for the federal immigration department.

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An Associated Press story on the front page of Wednesday's Star contained an eye-popping account of Mexico's mistreatment of illegal immigrants from Central America. The story said that illegal entrants are considered felons in Mexico and many are routinely robbed, beaten or raped by police or the military. Some are shot to death.

While many Mexicans vociferously denounce the criminalization of Mexicans living illegally in the United States, Mexico itself classifies those who enter its borders illegally as felons subject to deportation or two years in prison.

In fact, illegal immigrants in Mexico are treated so poorly that it's hardly any wonder that Central Americans try to get out of Mexico and into the United States as quickly as possible. At least if they're caught here there's much less of a chance they'll be robbed, raped, beaten or killed.

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So True. When I was working in Villahermosa, we were told how they treated illegals there. Somtimes with a bullet to the head lying in a ditch. If people (yes for some of you, they are people and not animals) are going to risk this then you know that they are coming from some pretty fukced up places (including Mexico).

[athena_ny 1]

Only if nothing else is wrong in your background (not always a slam dunk), and you file the paperwork. I just don't see it as a huge risk for fraud for someone who's already here. It's not as though you have a terribly high risk of being deported if you fly under the radar, unfortunately.

Definitely true. That and illegal work were the only things in his background, and both are forgiven at AOS. If there were other issues...then yeah.

[homesick_american 1]

How does it make it easier to commit visa fraud? Seriously. Spell it out. You keep asserting it, but that doesn't make it true, and no one here is arguing hearts and huggles. Getting married doesn't stop you from being deported. Getting married doesn't mean you automatically get a green card; an EWI or an overstay isn't automatically forgiven. It doesn't automatically make you legal. It's not as if the guy in the article couldn't apply for a fiancé visa (like he will apply for a spousal visa.)

I can't believe you can't see it. Marriage is a hook. It changes everything. It changes the entire equation. Do you think it wouldn't be possible to fool the USCIS and consular officials? People do it every single day; this board is full of heartbreak stories like that.

This case has lead to NO special treatment. He's going to go through the same spousal visa process, with a waiver, that everyone else has to do. Let me repeat it: getting married has NOT changed this guy's immigration status or rights. He is still being deported. He will have to file a waiver, and faces a significant ban. His wife could have petitioned for him as a fiancé or as a spouse; their getting married just changes the category she'll file under.

Bullsh!t. The guy gets a shot at a visa where before he had NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH, no shot at all...just because he married an American. Convenient, isn't it?

How does it create more visa fraud? It seems to me it only does if you think immigration works like the movie Green Card, but surely you know that's not true, so... whence the fraud?

Give me a break. Disagree with me if you like, but don't imply that I'm naive or stupid. I don't appreciate it.

I think the UK's law is a bad idea and I hope we wouldn't adopt it. It would mean that you couldn't adjust off of an H1-B, or a student visa, which are all common ways legal immigrants come here, meet someone while working or in school, and get married. That just seems like a dumb idea, to make someone go home to get a fiancé visa when they're already here, working, owning property, &c.

ROFL...you can get married here in the UK if you are not on a fiance visa, but you have to get permission. If you're in the country illegally, they won't give it to you. Swot up more on UK immigration law before making assumptions like that. I mean, REALLY. If you're going to try to hit me with that stick, at least check it first to make sure it's made of wood rather than NERF.

"I don't think they'll actually be able to do it, since other tagged convicts have demonstrated how ineffectual it is at keeping track of someone. "

H.A. I had a conversation with my brother's wife about this practice. They DO place tags on asylum seekers, who are then able to live in society whilst their case is being processed. The alternative is for them to remain in "holding centers" which are rapidly becomming overcrowded. The tags they use are not small either - they are large metal cuffs that are placed around the person's ankle. Not the nicest thing, but it does allow UK immigration officials to keep track of where they are. Their cases are usually processed within 6 months anyway, so it isn't a big deal to have to wear one for so short a period, in my opinion, if the end result is the "legal" right to remain in the UK.

Interesting, I didn't know that. I was under the impression that quite a lot of asylum applicants slipped the lead, so to speak.

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

i can't agree with their being assaulted either just due to their illegal status.

shocking, i know, to some of our left wing crowd

#######!! Quick! Somebody call Nessa!!!!

Charles, take a deep breath, now exhale.

whew. You made it!

See how it feels to actually sympathize with a fellow human being. Even if he/she is illegal?

Daniel

:energetic:

[kitkat1 5]

Only if nothing else is wrong in your background (not always a slam dunk), and you file the paperwork. I just don't see it as a huge risk for fraud for someone who's already here. It's not as though you have a terribly high risk of being deported if you fly under the radar, unfortunately.

Definitely true. That and illegal work were the only things in his background, and both are forgiven at AOS. If there were other issues...then yeah.

Maybe I've misunderstood your post - but someone who entered the US illegally NEVER has the option to adjust status in the US. They always have to go through consular processing and the waiver procedure.

[athena_ny 1]

Only if nothing else is wrong in your background (not always a slam dunk), and you file the paperwork. I just don't see it as a huge risk for fraud for someone who's already here. It's not as though you have a terribly high risk of being deported if you fly under the radar, unfortunately.

Definitely true. That and illegal work were the only things in his background, and both are forgiven at AOS. If there were other issues...then yeah.

Maybe I've misunderstood your post - but someone who entered the US illegally NEVER has the option to adjust status in the US. They always have to go through consular processing and the waiver procedure.

Yeah, you've misunderstood. I originally addressed overstay. So overstay + illegal work are the only things forgiven.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

i can't agree with their being assaulted either just due to their illegal status.

shocking, i know, to some of our left wing crowd

#######!! Quick! Somebody call Nessa!!!!

Charles, take a deep breath, now exhale.

whew. You made it!

See how it feels to actually sympathize with a fellow human being. Even if he/she is illegal?

Daniel

:energetic:

that's not sympathizing with them. i disagree on their presence due to them being illegal, but i can't see them getting a beat down just due to status as that's just wrong. what a slippery slope that would be: "you were doing 10 mph over the speed limit" *left hook to the chin*