CNN thinks that socialism is cool. My grandparents from the USSR would disagree.

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2 hours ago, -Trinity- said:

Indoctrination has done it's work, that's one thing for sure. Which is somehow ironic.

I suppose I could say the same thing regarding the indoctrination of those that espouse socialism as the panacea it is not.  Whatever.  Capitalism works as you said in the Netherlands, socialism doesn't.

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10 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

 

You never offered a sandwich.  So what is the difference between Democratic Socialism and Social Democracies?  Hint, they are different.

here you go google is your friend,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

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2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

here you go google is your friend,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

Yes, I know the difference, and all the countries someone else in the thread listed are SDs.  No one is a DS yet and hopefully they never will follow that path.  Control of the economic capital never works, but I suppose you already knew that and chose to ignore it anyway.

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Just now, Bill & Katya said:

Yes, I know the difference, and all the countries someone else in the thread listed are SDs.  No one is a DS yet and hopefully they never will follow that path.  Control of the economic capital never works, but I suppose you already knew that and chose to ignore it anyway.

you asked. 

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

I suppose I could say the same thing regarding the indoctrination of those that espouse socialism as the panacea it is not.  Whatever.  Capitalism works as you said in the Netherlands, socialism doesn't.

Personally I'm open to whatever, and I have experienced that the Dutch socialism works. I'm not easy to indoctrinate, and if something wouldn't work I would say that too.

 

I never said socialism doesn't work in the Netherlands....no clue where you got that from....

They have a combination of capitalism and socialism, you can say they take the best from both worlds.

 

And that how it should be I believe.

 

 

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17 hours ago, -Trinity- said:

Personally I'm open to whatever, and I have experienced that the Dutch socialism works. I'm not easy to indoctrinate, and if something wouldn't work I would say that too.

 

I never said socialism doesn't work in the Netherlands....no clue where you got that from....

They have a combination of capitalism and socialism, you can say they take the best from both worlds.

 

And that how it should be I believe.

 

 

I think you are confusing Socialism with Social Democracy.  An easy mistake, but as you stated earlier, the Netherlands backtracked on the government controlling the economic capital (socialism), however as we know, the Netherlands does have a lot of socialist programs for their citizens.

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

I think you are confusing Socialism with Social Democracy.  An easy mistake, but as you stated earlier, the Netherlands backtracked on the government controlling the economic capital (socialism), however as we know, the Netherlands does have a lot of socialist programs for their citizens.

No, i'm not confusing them, or better I'm not the one confusing them. They both have the same goal: reducing income inequality.
But I met enough Republicans to know that even Social Democracy ticks them off.

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Quara says:

 

Martijn Vos, Christian libertarian socialist

Answered Feb 8 2016 · Author has 481 answers and 651.3k answer views

 

 

 

There are many, many different kinds of socialism; many different perspectives on what it is, what it can or should be, and how to get there. The right wing tends to pretend that all socialism is inherently Soviet-style communism or Stalinism: an oppressive totalitarian regime. But that's not true at all. It's a straw man meant to discredit the very concept of socialism.

There's one thing that all forms of socialism have in common: they want to reduce economic inequality.

How much they want to reduce it, and how, that's where the difference lies. In the 19th century, Karl Marx championed the idea of State Communism, which would start with the dictatorship of the workers.

Other 19th century socialist thinkers, like Mikhail Bakunin, objected to that idea because it would be tyrannical and oppressive, and proposed Libertarian Socialism or Libertarian Communism instead.  The most extreme version of that rejects the idea of the state or any sort of power structure. Various anarchist movements have experimented with it on a small scale, but there have never been any revolutions on a national scale.

We are convinced that freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice, and that Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality.

                                                                                     -- Mikhail Bakunin

Eventually, though, Marx won out. Not just in Russia; many Social Democratic parties in the late 19th and early 20th century did consider themselves adherents of Marx's ideas, and argued for a revolution. For example, the Dutch Social Democratic League. And yet they also embraced anarchism, and they called themselves "Democratic". How does that work?

That article on the Social Democratic League actually explains this:

Before the Russian Revolution the term social-democrat, socialist and communist were used interchangeably to denote a Marxist ideology. Social-democrat was not more or less radical than socialist.

So in that sense, there's no difference. Not at that time. There were many different ideas and factions, and differences on how to reach their goal, but they agreed about the principle of their goal: economic equality.

Nowadays, of course we mean very different things by these words. Communism is the statism of the Soviet Union (which never even had Marx's proletarian dictatorship, but a dictatorship by an elite), whereas Socialism is something more moderate and generally still democratic. Social Democracy is what so many northern European countries have been doing so successfully since the end of World War 2: the good parts of capitalism but with clear workers' rights and an eye for economic equality.

Democratic Socialism is actually a new phrase introduced by Bernie Sanders, as far as I can tell. It clearly sounds like European Social Democracy, and Sanders explicitly points to Scandinavia for his examples. But he also explicitly calls it Socialism, rather than merely "Social". It could be that's because since the 1990s, many European labour parties have embraced some degree of neoliberalism (the "privatize/deregulate everything" attitude inspired by Reagan and Thatcher) and abandoned their socialist roots in the eyes of many. Sanders cares about those socialist roots. But he also wants to assure Americans who are used to the "Red Scare" that his socialism has nothing to do with the tyrannical Soviet-style socialism, and is firmly democratic.

 

 

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-a-socialist-and-a-democratic-socialist

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