Overwhelming Majority Of Studies Find That Gun Control Policies Don’t Work

[jg121783 3,921]

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/02/studies-gun-control-policies-dont-work/

 

Not that we need a study to tell us this. Common sense should tell you criminals don't generally follow the law.

[JimandChristy 1,689]

1 hour ago, jg121783 said:

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/02/studies-gun-control-policies-dont-work/

 

Not that we need a study to tell us this. Common sense should tell you criminals don't generally follow the law.

But you got all the proof you need in the rest of the first world. It's right there in front of you, gun control clearly works.

[jg121783 3,921]

1 hour ago, JimandChristy said:

But you got all the proof you need in the rest of the first world. It's right there in front of you, gun control clearly works.

Tell that to the people in Chicago or any other victim disarmament zone.

[jg121783 3,921]

Many people think guns are the common denominator in all these shootings. That isn't so because there are other countries with less restrictive gun laws that don't have mass shootings. One could argue SSRIs are the common denominator as almost every mass shooter was on them and there is no other country that prescribes nearly as much of them as we do. The corporate media doesn't want to touch that subject though because most of their ad revenue is from big pharma.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

4 hours ago, jg121783 said:

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/02/studies-gun-control-policies-dont-work/

 

Not that we need a study to tell us this. Common sense should tell you criminals don't generally follow the law.

 

  Interesting spin, to put it mildly, by the daily caller, because the actual research does not say "doesn't work", it says "limited evidence" for almost all of the categories. That means they can neither conclude that it works or does not work.

 

 The one category that had strong evidence for being effective is limiting child access to firearms, which is why much of the current policy review revolves around restrictions centered on increasing age limits.

 

 

[JimandChristy 1,689]

2 hours ago, jg121783 said:

Tell that to the people in Chicago or any other victim disarmament zone.

Chicago though is clearly an outlier, in fact the whole of the United States is an outlier. Gun control works, why over complicate the issue if the answer is obvious.

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2 hours ago, jg121783 said:

Many people think guns are the common denominator in all these shootings. That isn't so because there are other countries with less restrictive gun laws that don't have mass shootings. One could argue SSRIs are the common denominator as almost every mass shooter was on them and there is no other country that prescribes nearly as much of them as we do. The corporate media doesn't want to touch that subject though because most of their ad revenue is from big pharma.

I have to agree with this. I'm shocked by the amount of people who use this kind of drugs, atleast in the area where I'm at. 

 

Couple days ago, a 25 year old got killed in his house just 0.3 miles where I live from drugs,  and there were weapons involved. Several aquintances of my husband either lost a child or other relative due to an overdose. I can't think of anyone through my entire life who died from prescribed or non prescribed drugs.

 

I also believe it's a combination; either prescribed or illegal drugs, and easy access to weapons is waiting for a disaster to happen.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 hours ago, jg121783 said:

Many people think guns are the common denominator in all these shootings. That isn't so because there are other countries with less restrictive gun laws that don't have mass shootings. One could argue SSRIs are the common denominator as almost every mass shooter was on them and there is no other country that prescribes nearly as much of them as we do. The corporate media doesn't want to touch that subject though because most of their ad revenue is from big pharma.

   

  People are prescribed SSRI's in other countries too. If SSRI's were the cause of mass shootings, it would be universal don't you think, not just an American phenomenon? 

 

  Access to firearms is still the driver. I can give you examples of mass shootings that didn't involve drugs if you want. Or you can prove me wrong when you can give an example of a mass shooting that didn't involve guns.

 

[jg121783 3,921]

34 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

People are prescribed SSRI's in other countries too. If SSRI's were the cause of mass shootings, it would be universal don't you think, not just an American phenomenon? 

First of all there have been cases of people on SSRIs in other countries going on killing sprees though it occurs less than it does here. There is an explaination for that. The US uses far more SSRIs than any other country does. Look at the chart in this article:

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/countries-largest-antidepressant-drug-users-2016-2

 

Keep in mind the chart shows use per 1000 people which is a little misleading for the purpose of our debate. The US has a larger populatuon than any of the other countries in the chart which means if you look at the actual number of people per country that use SSRIs the US far exceeds any of the other countries. Also those numbers are a few years old. A study that recently came out says 1 in 6 people in the US now use anti depressants:

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/psychiatric-drugs-study-reveals-widespread-use-women-men/

 

36 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

Access to firearms is still the driver. I can give you examples of mass shootings that didn't involve drugs if you want. Or you can prove me wrong when you can give an example of a mass shooting that didn't involve guns.

Access to firearms for the population as a whole is not the issue here. Access to firearms for people with mental problems is the issue. Especially people who are on SSRIs which are known to cause people to become suicidal and homicidal. I have personally seen the first part of that more than once but I won't get into that here. 

 

I can go along with restricting people with mental issues, especially those on SSRIs, from having guns if done the right way. What I mean by the right way is in a way where a qualified mental health professional makes a non biased decision and based on that decision a judge makes a ruling on whether or not the person in question should have their access to firearms restricted. The person would then have the right to have that decision reviewed after a certain period of time. Even though I could go along with that I still think it is a slippery slope and potentially open to the abuse of someone's second amendment rights.

 

What I cannot go along with is the nonsense the radical left is pushing right now. A ban of all semi automatics? Seriously? Talk about extreme. Guess I better turn in all my guns now and go get some black powder muzzle loaders because that is about all this proposal would allow. The bottom line is the issue is not the gun but the person holding it and pulling the trigger.

[Ban Hammer 13,516]

about the only gun control policy that i know that works is

- use both hands.

[TBoneTX 46,071]

5 hours ago, jg121783 said:

A study that recently came out says

Not criticism of the poster, but a general, long-time beef.

"Studies" are inanimate and can't say anything -- the study's investigators can.

Similarly, "studies" can't show anything -- the study's results can.

The above perhaps aren't perfect, but they're certainly better than the usual usage.

[Merle 458]

16 hours ago, JimandChristy said:

But you got all the proof you need in the rest of the first world. It's right there in front of you, gun control clearly works.

I think you might be referring to the banning and confiscation of all firearms which would just lead to violent crimes and murder by other means. Like in this attached article zum beispiel:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

5 hours ago, Merle said:

I think you might be referring to the banning and confiscation of all firearms which would just lead to violent crimes and murder by other means. Like in this attached article zum beispiel:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089

That shows that knife CRIME is on the rise, not deaths by knife.  Only 240ish of those 37,000 knifing attempts resulted in death.  

 

Compare that to gun crime in the US, where the rate has actually been decreasing year over year, while the number of guns in the populace has been rising.  Trouble is, more attempted gun homicides are actually completed, due to the greater lethality and stand-off range of a gun vs. a knife.

 

But what it DOES correlate to is that the number of knife crimes over in the UK/GB/Europe are on the rise, just as the number of mass shootings here in the US.  Again, the problem is not the inanimate object, it is the weilder that is the problem.  Violence, mayhem, and lack of respect for human life is on the increas, and not just in America.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

On 3/3/2018 at 10:20 AM, jg121783 said:

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/02/studies-gun-control-policies-dont-work/

 

Not that we need a study to tell us this. Common sense should tell you criminals don't generally follow the law.

I would like to see more studies, in contrast to those for and against gun reform who think no studies are needed.

 

One of the worst things the NRA has done is fight the protection of the citizens of this country by using it's power to have Congress shut down studies on gun violence in America. Let's have more studies on the topic.

Edited March 5, 2018 by Il Mango Dulce

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

20 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

I would like to see more studies, in contrast to those for and against gun reform who think no studies are needed.

 

One of the worst things the NRA has done is fight the protection of the citizens of this country by using it's power to have Congress shut down studies on gun violence in America. Let's have more studies on the topic.

More laws, that’s what is needed.  Sheesh, we should have outlawed drugs, rape, and killing people many years ago, and we wouldn’t have all these problems!