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2 hours ago, Ijndchyke said:

You can actually file a month in advance. I believe its 30 days prior. Check online but I believe so. The early the better. 

Not a good idea to be making suggestions when you clearly do not have an understanding of the situation and there is already lots of good info on VJ .

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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I'm a bit shocked about the inadequate advice given to you.

 

There's only one way forward, and I'll outline it for you.

 

Understand that there are only 2 ways to remove conditions:

 

1) JOINTLY, when happily married, living under one roof

2) SINGULARLY, when divorced.

 

Based on your post, you do not fit into either of the two categories, and unlike you live in a state where you can divorced as quickly as Elvis can marry you in a Las Vegas chapel, you won't be able to do this for some time.

 

So without me having to type like there's no tomorrow, here's how you'll have to proceed:

 

1) File for divorce tomorrow morning. Have your husband served.

2) File the I-751 alone 7 to 9 days before your Green Card expires. Do it via certified mail and return receipt. Do NOT file later than that. Do NOT let your residency expire. A couple of weeks afterward, you'll receive your extension letter in the mail.

3) About a month after you submitted your application, an I.O. will go through your application and notice that you did not enclose a divorce decree, resulting in an RFE for this. Usually, you'll get about 90 days to respond.

4) If your divorce has not been finalized by then, you'll get a one-on-one date with an immigration judge. Usually, that also takes a month to three months. That's when you'll need the help of an immigration attorney. It will cost you about $1K (Sorry). At that appointment, your attorney will ask the judge to suspend proceedings 'til your divorce is final. In almost ALL circumstances the judge will sign off on this.

5) Once your divorce is final, you'll be forwarding the divorce decree to the USCIS, after which they can adjudicate your I-751. Shortly after you should receive your unrestricted, 10-year Green Card.

 

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all . . . . The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic . . . . There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.

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2 minutes ago, Brother Hesekiel said:

I'm a bit shocked about the inadequate advice given to you.

 

There's only one way forward, and I'll outline it for you.

 

Understand that there are only 2 ways to remove conditions:

 

1) JOINTLY, when happily married, living under one roof

2) SINGULARLY, when divorced.

 

Based on your post, you do not fit into either of the two categories, and unlike you live in a state where you can divorced as quickly as Elvis can marry you in a Las Vegas chapel, you won't be able to do this for some time.

 

So without me having to type like there's no tomorrow, here's how you'll have to proceed:

 

1) File for divorce tomorrow morning. Have your husband served.

2) File the I-751 alone 7 to 9 days before your Green Card expires. Do it via certified mail and return receipt. Do NOT file later than that. Do NOT let your residency expire. A couple of weeks afterward, you'll receive your extension letter in the mail.

3) About a month after you submitted your application, an I.O. will go through your application and notice that you did not enclose a divorce decree, resulting in an RFE for this. Usually, you'll get about 90 days to respond.

4) If your divorce has not been finalized by then, you'll get a one-on-one date with an immigration judge. Usually, that also takes a month to three months. That's when you'll need the help of an immigration attorney. It will cost you about $1K (Sorry). At that appointment, your attorney will ask the judge to suspend proceedings 'til your divorce is final. In almost ALL circumstances the judge will sign off on this.

5) Once your divorce is final, you'll be forwarding the divorce decree to the USCIS, after which they can adjudicate your I-751. Shortly after you should receive your unrestricted, 10-year Green Card.

 

It is seemingly standard practice when a divorce is proceeding for processing to be delayed , I am sure an IJ would rip them a new one if they wasted Court time on such a issue.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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On 2/14/2018 at 11:45 PM, Marrienne said:

So if I file now, a month before I am supposed to do ROC, won't that be suspicious?

You should know that if filing with a divorce waiver you can file at any time between gaining permanent residence and a final order of removal from the US (which would have to come from an immigration judge) - you do not have to file in the 90 day period preceding expiry of the two year card as you do if filing jointly. This is clearly stated in the I-751 instructions.

Whichever way you do this, it may result in notice of denial and a NTA (notice to appear) for a hearing with an immigration judge, but you remain a lawful permanent resident until status is stripped by an immigration judge. 

 

You do not have to be divorced to file with a waiver, but you must be fully divorced and in receipt of a final decree in order for the I-751 waiver to be approved.  Waiver I-751s are adjudicated on the evidence provided, just the same as a joint filing. The USC spouse is not part of a waiver filing and will not have to attend any interview.

 

Some of this may be daunting but is sadly part of the process if in such a situation. Don't worry - you have rights and are entitled to due process. Thankfully spouses aren't amazon packages with a return policy.

 

 

 

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CR1 / DCF (London): 2012 / 2013 (4 months from I-130 petition to visa in hand)

I-751 #1- April 2015 [Denied]

 

April 2015 : I-751 Joint filing package sent fedex next day 09:00am from UK ($lots - thanks). 
Jan 2017: Notification that an interview has been scheduled at a local office. Bizarrely still no RFE... 
Jan 2017: 2hr wait, then interview terminated before it began, due to moving my ID to another state 2 wks prior. New interview 'in a few months...maybe.'   Informed them that divorce proceedings are underway, but not finalised at this time. 
March 2017: An Interview was scheduled - marked as no-show as they didn't actually send out a notification of interview. FML 
April  2017: Filed an official complaint with the ombudsman, and have requested Senator & Congressman assistance
August 2017: Interview - switched to a (finalised) divorce waiver. Told that decision will be made that afternoon, but no problems foreseen with my case. 
October 2017: Letter of Denial received - reason given as 'I-751 petition was not properly filed'. Discovered ex-spouse made false allegations to USCIS in 2015. No opportunity given to review & refute allegations  - contrary to USCIS policy.

I-751 #2 - Oct 2017 - Mar 2021[Denied] 

 

October 2017: Within 72hrs of receiving denial notice, a new waiver I-751, divorce decree & $680 cheque, sent to Vermont via FedEx overnight 9am priority.  
Dec 2019: Filed FOIA request for full A# file
Feb 2020: FOIA request completed - entire A# file received as a .PDF; 197 pages fully redacted, and 80 partially redacted. Don't waste your time!
March 2021: I-751 #2 denied for lack of evidence. No RFE, no interview, and evidence in previous I-751 not reviewed - contrary to policy. Huge errors in adjudication.

N-400 - Feb 2018 - Apr 2021 [Denied]

 

February 2018: N-400 filed online.  $725 paid to the USCIS paperwork wastage fund

February  2019: Interview - cancelled after a four hour wait due to 'missing paperwork' on their end. Promised Expedited reschedule.

March 2021: Interview letter received, strangely dated after I-751 denial. No I-751 interview conducted. N-400 interview and test passed, given 'cannot make a decision at this time' paper due to the ongoing I-751 nightmare...

April 2021: N-400 denial received citing recent I-751 denial as basis for ineligibility, even though it should have been a combo interview 🤯

I AM JACK'S COMPLETE LACK OF SURPRISE

Service Motion - March 2021 [Sent via FedEx & COMPLETELY IGNORED by USCIS]

 

March 2021: Service Motion request sent overnight addressed direectly to field office director, requesting urgent review and re-opening, based on errors in adjudication - citing USCIS policy, AFM and memorandums as basis for errors. This was completely ignored by USCIS.

 I-751 #3 - June 2021 - Jan 2024 [Denied]

 

IT'S GROUNDHOG DAY

June 2021: I-751 #3 (30+lbs/5000 pages of paperwork) & another $680 sent to USCIS via FedEx ($300+..thanks) .... 

June 2021: Receipt issued, card charged, biometrics waived, infopass scheduled for I-551 stamp number ten.....

Feb 2022: RFIE (no, not an RFE, a Request For Initial Evidence) received, for copies of the divorce paperwork that they already have 😑

July 2022: Infopass for I-551 stamp number eleven.....

August 2023: Infopass for I-551 stamp number twelve....

January 2024: Denial received, ignoring the overwhelming majority of the filing, abundance of evidence, and refutation of a provably false allegation. The denial also contradicts itself in multiple places, as if it was written by someone with an IQ <50.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

 

2024: FML. Seriously. I'm done. 

 

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Really sad to hear this, Marienne. You have support within this forum because you've connected with many here via the stories you've told of your immigration. As others have stated, with a divorce and a waiver filed with your ROC application you will be able to stay. Take care of yourself and your child. I wish the best for you.

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Thank you everybody for your time. 

 

Let me clarify a few things: We have been together for 6 years but married for less than 2.

We got married prior to starting the visa application as he didn't have a green card for Greece so that took a while.

That is why I have a CR1

 

Would it make any difference to present evidence of him not being mentally ok?

I have a ton of medical paperwork including institution admissions and 911 calls and police calls (when he was threatening to kill himself).

And drug abuse too.

Click "spoiler" below for a detailed account of our journey to a CR1 visa via DCF in Athens, Greece.

 

2011 - Met hubby online and became friends
Early 2013 - Confessed our love for each other * Late 2013 - I got pregnant with our daughter
2014 - Our baby was born in Athens, Greece and completed our family. We now have two boys and a girl!! 2013 - 2015 - Looking for jobs in Greece, none were available (due to socioeconomic crisis) 2015 - Decided only way to feed our family was to immigrate and started the process December 2015 - Got married (Greece has a LOT of red tape for foreigners marrying Greeks)
January 2016 - Finished gathering all documents and getting them translated
* * DCF in Athens, Greece * *

28th January 2016 - Finally filed I-130s
29th June - ISSUED!!!!!!1st July - Visa packages and passports delivered to DHL.4th July - Visas in hand! CU in two weeks USA!!
19th July- POE Detroit. All went well!! (excluding our screaming, jet lagged toddler!!)

 

After Arrival in the US

September 2016 - Hubby is diagnosed with congestive heart failure
October - February 2016 - Battle with drug use, overdosing, bringing home a tiny paycheck

March - July 2017 - I am working 80 hr weeks to make ends meet. Discovered hubby's affair. Still overdoses and is hospitalized. Has quit working all together.
July - October 2017 - Marriage counseling. Revealed hubby has "several" mental conditions. Is started on several mental meds.

October 2017 - Got accepted for a college course. Got better job to help raise my kids.

October 2017 - March 2018 - Situation at home is toxic. He files for divorce.

July 2018 - Divorce is final. I have full custody of our daughter.

 

ROC (GC expires July 19th 2018)

July 16th - Package for ROC is delivered to the CA service center (divorce waiver).

August 30th - NOA1 received with 18 month extension (fee waiver approved).

March 28th 2019 - Biometrics

August 8th 2019 - Case Approved No RFE No Interview - 10 year GC in production

N400 (Online - Detroit, MI office)
June 6th 2023 - Applied for naturalization under 5 year rule.
June 7th 2023 - Application received/Biometric will be reused.
June 16th - Interview scheduled.
July 27th - Upcoming interview.



**Our DCF journey to an IV took 5 months and 1 day from turning in the I-130 to getting "Issued"**


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Also my card expires July 18th. I need to file March 18th.

Click "spoiler" below for a detailed account of our journey to a CR1 visa via DCF in Athens, Greece.

 

2011 - Met hubby online and became friends
Early 2013 - Confessed our love for each other * Late 2013 - I got pregnant with our daughter
2014 - Our baby was born in Athens, Greece and completed our family. We now have two boys and a girl!! 2013 - 2015 - Looking for jobs in Greece, none were available (due to socioeconomic crisis) 2015 - Decided only way to feed our family was to immigrate and started the process December 2015 - Got married (Greece has a LOT of red tape for foreigners marrying Greeks)
January 2016 - Finished gathering all documents and getting them translated
* * DCF in Athens, Greece * *

28th January 2016 - Finally filed I-130s
29th June - ISSUED!!!!!!1st July - Visa packages and passports delivered to DHL.4th July - Visas in hand! CU in two weeks USA!!
19th July- POE Detroit. All went well!! (excluding our screaming, jet lagged toddler!!)

 

After Arrival in the US

September 2016 - Hubby is diagnosed with congestive heart failure
October - February 2016 - Battle with drug use, overdosing, bringing home a tiny paycheck

March - July 2017 - I am working 80 hr weeks to make ends meet. Discovered hubby's affair. Still overdoses and is hospitalized. Has quit working all together.
July - October 2017 - Marriage counseling. Revealed hubby has "several" mental conditions. Is started on several mental meds.

October 2017 - Got accepted for a college course. Got better job to help raise my kids.

October 2017 - March 2018 - Situation at home is toxic. He files for divorce.

July 2018 - Divorce is final. I have full custody of our daughter.

 

ROC (GC expires July 19th 2018)

July 16th - Package for ROC is delivered to the CA service center (divorce waiver).

August 30th - NOA1 received with 18 month extension (fee waiver approved).

March 28th 2019 - Biometrics

August 8th 2019 - Case Approved No RFE No Interview - 10 year GC in production

N400 (Online - Detroit, MI office)
June 6th 2023 - Applied for naturalization under 5 year rule.
June 7th 2023 - Application received/Biometric will be reused.
June 16th - Interview scheduled.
July 27th - Upcoming interview.



**Our DCF journey to an IV took 5 months and 1 day from turning in the I-130 to getting "Issued"**


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12 minutes ago, Marrienne said:

Also my card expires July 18th. I need to file March 18th.

You don't need to file on March 18th or any time (also, it's 90 days, not 4 months)

You should file before the card expires, with a divorce waiver, as has been suggested above.

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16 minutes ago, Marrienne said:

Would it make any difference to present evidence of him not being mentally ok?

I have a ton of medical paperwork including institution admissions and 911 calls and police calls (when he was threatening to kill himself).

And drug abuse too.

 

If you're filing with a divorce waiver, the only thing that matters is the proof that you entered the marriage in good faith and not for immigration benefits. Unless you're filing for the abuse waiver, evidence of why the marriage broke down won't really factor in.

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4 minutes ago, Lemonslice said:

You can file anytime between April 19 and July 18 - 90 days before expiry. 

Divorce waivers can file any time, including before the 90-day window opens. Not sure why OP would want to do that, since more time might get her closer to a finalized divorce, but good to mention.

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Michigan has a 6 month wait for a divorce when children are involved so even if I filed today, it wouldn't be final until September.

 

How can I file for removal of conditions with a pending divorce, ya know?

Click "spoiler" below for a detailed account of our journey to a CR1 visa via DCF in Athens, Greece.

 

2011 - Met hubby online and became friends
Early 2013 - Confessed our love for each other * Late 2013 - I got pregnant with our daughter
2014 - Our baby was born in Athens, Greece and completed our family. We now have two boys and a girl!! 2013 - 2015 - Looking for jobs in Greece, none were available (due to socioeconomic crisis) 2015 - Decided only way to feed our family was to immigrate and started the process December 2015 - Got married (Greece has a LOT of red tape for foreigners marrying Greeks)
January 2016 - Finished gathering all documents and getting them translated
* * DCF in Athens, Greece * *

28th January 2016 - Finally filed I-130s
29th June - ISSUED!!!!!!1st July - Visa packages and passports delivered to DHL.4th July - Visas in hand! CU in two weeks USA!!
19th July- POE Detroit. All went well!! (excluding our screaming, jet lagged toddler!!)

 

After Arrival in the US

September 2016 - Hubby is diagnosed with congestive heart failure
October - February 2016 - Battle with drug use, overdosing, bringing home a tiny paycheck

March - July 2017 - I am working 80 hr weeks to make ends meet. Discovered hubby's affair. Still overdoses and is hospitalized. Has quit working all together.
July - October 2017 - Marriage counseling. Revealed hubby has "several" mental conditions. Is started on several mental meds.

October 2017 - Got accepted for a college course. Got better job to help raise my kids.

October 2017 - March 2018 - Situation at home is toxic. He files for divorce.

July 2018 - Divorce is final. I have full custody of our daughter.

 

ROC (GC expires July 19th 2018)

July 16th - Package for ROC is delivered to the CA service center (divorce waiver).

August 30th - NOA1 received with 18 month extension (fee waiver approved).

March 28th 2019 - Biometrics

August 8th 2019 - Case Approved No RFE No Interview - 10 year GC in production

N400 (Online - Detroit, MI office)
June 6th 2023 - Applied for naturalization under 5 year rule.
June 7th 2023 - Application received/Biometric will be reused.
June 16th - Interview scheduled.
July 27th - Upcoming interview.



**Our DCF journey to an IV took 5 months and 1 day from turning in the I-130 to getting "Issued"**


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21 minutes ago, Mollie09 said:

Divorce waivers can file any time, including before the 90-day window opens. Not sure why OP would want to do that, since more time might get her closer to a finalized divorce, but good to mention.

I don't see the divorce being finalized before April...

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58 minutes ago, Lemonslice said:

I don't see the divorce being finalized before April...

Divorce doesn't need to be finalized to file a divorce waiver. 

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7 hours ago, Marrienne said:

Michigan has a 6 month wait for a divorce when children are involved so even if I filed today, it wouldn't be final until September.

 

How can I file for removal of conditions with a pending divorce, ya know?

As others correctly stated, you can file a divorce waiver with a pending divorce. It can only be approved once the divorce is final and you have provided USCIS with the divorce decree, but it can be filed while it's pending. I-751s take a long time to process. If you file for divorce ASAP and file your I-751 close to your GC expiration date, it's very possible that by the time they get to your application and issue an RFE for the divorce decree, you'll be divorced and be able to send it (you are usually given 89 days to respond to an RFE). Thus you would avoid having to go to immigration court. IF you file for divorce ASAP.

Entry on VWP to visit then-boyfriend 06/13/2011

Married 06/24/2011

Our first son was born 10/31/2012, our daughter was born 06/30/2014, our second son was born 06/20/2017

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AOS package mailed 09/06/2011 (Chicago Lockbox)

AOS package signed for by R Mercado 09/07/2011

Priority date for I-485&I-130 09/08/2011

Biometrics done 10/03/2011

Interview letter received 11/18/2011

INTERVIEW DATE!!!! 12/20/2011

Approval e-mail 12/21/2011

Card production e-mail 12/27/2011

GREEN CARD ARRIVED 12/31/2011

Resident since 12/21/2011

ROC Timeline

ROC package mailed to VSC 11/22/2013

NOA1 date 11/26/2013

Biometrics date 12/26/2013

Transfer notice to CSC 03/14/2014

Change of address 03/27/2014

Card production ordered 04/30/2014

10-YEAR GREEN CARD ARRIVED 05/06/2014

N-400 Timeline

N-400 package mailed 09/30/2014

N-400 package delivered 10/01/2014

NOA1 date 10/20/2014

Biometrics date 11/14/2014

Early walk-in biometrics 11/12/2014

In-line for interview 11/23/2014

Interview letter 03/18/2015

Interview date 04/17/2015 ("Decision cannot yet be made.")

In-line for oath scheduling 05/04/2015

Oath ceremony letter dated 05/11/2015

Oath ceremony 06/02/2015

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