Florida School Shooting

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

10 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

it's criminal to sell or have in your possession drugs that haven't been prescribed to you..but private gun sales are allowed. i don't get that. the government thinks i can't determine if it's safe to give away an antibiotic to a family friend, but i give them a gun. 

It is criminal to sell a gun to someone who is not allowed to buy one on their own.

 

But I can give Tylenol to a friend who needs it.

[smilesammich 10,727]

26 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

It is criminal to sell a gun to someone who is not allowed to buy one on their own.

 

But I can give Tylenol to a friend who needs it.

tylenol is otc.

[-Trinity- 513]

39 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

It is criminal to sell a gun to someone who is not allowed to buy one on their own.

 

But I can give Tylenol to a friend who needs it.

But can you give Xanax to somebody?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

13 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

tylenol is otc.

So are guns, for most people.  You're comparing apples to oranges.  Jim might call yours a straw man argument.  But I wouldn't. 

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

1 hour ago, -Trinity- said:

 

If so, what is the difference between selling a gun to someone you know/trust etc..and the black market?

the first allows the seller to insure the recipient is legally able to posses a firearm. 

the latter  opens one up to lawsuits until the end of time.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

But can you give Xanax to somebody?

No ma'am.  And I wouldn't try, unless it were to prevent an inevitable homicide (my sister comes to mind).

[Sonea 138]

2 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

So are guns, for most people.  You're comparing apples to oranges.  Jim might call yours a straw man argument.  But I wouldn't. 

"Strawman" has been misused throughout this thread. Red hering is more appropriate.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

3 hours ago, smilesammich said:

too many people, too many guns. and the regular stuff: a culture of violence, generational poverty.  but also, our priorities concerning public safety (state and federal level) are all askew..as far as i can tell, alcohol is more heavily regulated in this country (from an industry standpoint) than gun sales/ownership. that's ridiculous.

Do you REALLY think that is true? 

 

No BG check required.  Any felon or mental patient can buy it.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 minutes ago, Sonea said:

"Strawman" has been misused throughout this thread. Red hering is more appropriate.

I know.  It's about as appropriate as "weapon of war" and "assault weapon".  Like I said, some prefer to use wrong terms.  Either not knowing the difference, or knowing but not caring.

[smilesammich 10,727]

32 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

So are guns, for most people.  You're comparing apples to oranges.  Jim might call yours a straw man argument.  But I wouldn't. 

let me get this straight..the comparison of guns to sharpened pencils or kitchen knives is valid but comparisons of government related industry as concerns public safety is not. 

lol.

[smilesammich 10,727]

27 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Do you REALLY think that is true? 

 

No BG check required.  Any felon or mental patient can buy it.

i know its true. i'm not talking about just the end sale of a customer showing an i.d to purchase a six pack. i'm talking about federal and state alcohol compliance within the alcohol industry. have you ever gone through the process of getting a liquor approved for sale at state or federal level? do you work with the ttb? do you have any idea what goes into getting that bottle to your local liquor store shelf - under the premise of public safety?  i'll tell you, it's a ton of regulation, there are lawyers and compliance companies that specialize in beverage law. all to keep words like "strong" off your beer label, lest you think beer gives you power. it's a heavily regulated industry. and most regulations are totally unnecessary because people don't even realize what's being done in the background for their perceived protection. but guns? guns you can sell on Craigslist. no oversight, just make sure you're doing the right thing.

[Sonea 138]

16 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i know its true. i'm not talking about just the end sale of a customer showing an i.d to purchase a six pack. i'm talking about federal and state alcohol compliance within the alcohol industry. have you ever gone through the process of getting a liquor approved for sale at state or federal level? do you work with the ttb? do you have any idea what goes into getting that bottle to your local liquor store shelf - under the premise of public safety?  i'll tell you, it's a ton of regulation, there are lawyers and compliance companies that specialize in beverage law. all to keep words like "strong" off your beer label, lest you think beer gives you power. it's a heavily regulated industry. and most regulations are totally unnecessary because people don't even realize what's being done in the background for their perceived protection. but guns? guns you can sell on Craigslist. no oversight, just make sure you're doing the right thing.

Dealing with the ATF and CADOJ aren't exactly a walk in the park either.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

17 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i know its true. i'm not talking about just the end sale of a customer showing an i.d to purchase a six pack. i'm talking about federal and state alcohol compliance within the alcohol industry. have you ever gone through the process of getting a liquor approved for sale at state or federal level? do you work with the ttb? do you have any idea what goes into getting that bottle to your local liquor store shelf - under the premise of public safety?  i'll tell you, it's a ton of regulation, there are lawyers and compliance companies that specialize in beverage law. all to keep words like "strong" off your beer label, lest you think beer gives you power. it's a heavily regulated industry. and most regulations are totally unnecessary because people don't even realize what's being done in the background for their perceived protection. but guns? guns you can sell on Craigslist. no oversight, just make sure you're doing the right thing.

More later on your points.  But for now, no on the CL part.  Nor eBay.  People try sometimes, but the posts are reported and removed within minutes usually.

[smilesammich 10,727]

23 minutes ago, Sonea said:

Dealing with the ATF and CADOJ aren't exactly a walk in the park either.

right, i know. the a in atf. no cadoj but alcohol is heavily regulated at state level as well, in many states down to the county. also the fda.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

44 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i know its true. i'm not talking about just the end sale of a customer showing an i.d to purchase a six pack. i'm talking about federal and state alcohol compliance within the alcohol industry. have you ever gone through the process of getting a liquor approved for sale at state or federal level? do you work with the ttb? do you have any idea what goes into getting that bottle to your local liquor store shelf - under the premise of public safety?  i'll tell you, it's a ton of regulation, there are lawyers and compliance companies that specialize in beverage law. all to keep words like "strong" off your beer label, lest you think beer gives you power. it's a heavily regulated industry. and most regulations are totally unnecessary because people don't even realize what's being done in the background for their perceived protection. but guns? guns you can sell on Craigslist. no oversight, just make sure you're doing the right thing.

But anyone with an ID can walk into a liquor store and buy alcohol. And if you’re obviously not near the age of 21, you can buy alcohol with no ID.  All that federal regulation didn’t stop Joe Blow from buying that bottle of vodka and drinking it before he got in his car and caused an accident. Even if you take his license away, he can still get drunk, get in a car and drive  illegally. 

 

Many years back a friend of mine was in a car with someone else, their car was hit by a drunk driver. My friend was busted up and in a coma for 3 weeks. His friend was killed. The drunk that hit them was not injured and had gotten out of jail a couple of weeks prior for driving drunk and killing someone. He didn’t have a license when he hit my friend. So two accidents, 2 deaths with jail in between.