Florida School Shooting

[Steeleballz 7,550]

57 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I think that is what CNN did for their anti-gun pep rally as discussed in the other thread.

 

  I think you missed something there. Not good because I see someone actually explained it to you. At any rate, not sure what that has to do with this thread.

[Dashinka 24,512]

14 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  I think you missed something there. Not good because I see someone actually explained it to you. At any rate, not sure what that has to do with this thread.

I believe there was another student victim that said the same thing regarding CNN having a political agenda that has apparently been ignored explanation not withstanding.

 

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

41 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

 

Turn in your guns. The popo will keep you safe 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, Póg mo said:

I think the government should just go ahead and ban all gun sales until someone can work out what the hell is going on!

I'm with you!  If only there weren't 50 million weapons on the black market today, it might actually help.

[smilesammich 10,727]

30 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

you don't think that's an actual brady campaign ad do you? 

there's some fake news.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

If all gun sales stopped right now, how many here think that gun violence would end? Raise your hand. 

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14 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

Banning assault rifles will do for gun deaths what banning poodles will do for dog attack deaths. 

 

Some people say they aren’t against gun ownership but want to ban assault rifles to cut down on gun deaths. If you really want to cut down on gun deaths, why wouldn’t you go after the ones that are used most frequently? 

I agree with you, I believe its not the weapons and definitely not a certain weapon, its rather the mentality and probably the culture that enables this type of behavior.

 

For example, i had a conversation today with a friend, she had to meet with the principal of her kid's school. Because he was playing and pretending he was shooting someone. 
Another kid was expelled this week for saying things in the school bus, like: i'm gonna kill you all, i'm going to shoot everyone.

 

Mind you, this are kids between the ages of 6 and 10. Before the shooting no one would really pay attention of a kid said something like that. Because as my friend said: " i grew up playing cowboys and police, arresting and shooting the bad guys".   And there is nothing wrong with playing as a child, but when does playing changes in having serious thoughts about killing people?

Maybe that's the same thing with the Cruz kid, maybe he grew up playing being a cowboy or a police officer and killing bad guys. And maybe people didn't take to serious what he was saying, because: " boys will be boys." 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Just now, spookyturtle said:

If all gun sales stopped right now, how many here think that gun violence would end? Raise your hand. 

I wish I could, Spooks; heck, I’d give up all my guns if I thought that would help.  Alas, I know better.  Guns are not violent.  People are.

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13 hours ago, Sonea said:

In my state they are called private party transfers. Both parties meet at an FFL and dros the firearm. There isa10 day wait and then the buyer picks it up. The majority of gun owners follow this rule. 

 

FFLs are mandated to do the transfer for 35.00

I wonder if that has any effect on the amount of shootings in your state. I think its good thing they do that though.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Just now, -Trinity- said:

I agree with you, I believe its not the weapons and definitely not a certain weapon, its rather the mentality and probably the culture that enables this type of behavior.

 

For example, i had a conversation today with a friend, she had to meet with the principal of her kid's school. Because he was playing and pretending he was shooting someone. 
Another kid was expelled this week for saying things in the school bus, like: i'm gonna kill you all, i'm going to shoot everyone.

 

Mind you, this are kids between the ages of 6 and 10. Before the shooting no one would really pay attention of a kid said something like that. Because as my friend said: " i grew up playing cowboys and police, arresting and shooting the bad guys".   And there is nothing wrong with playing as a child, but when does playing changes in having serious thoughts about killing people?

Maybe that's the same thing with the Cruz kid, maybe he grew up playing being a cowboy or a police officer and killing bad guys. And maybe people didn't take to serious what he was saying, because: " boys will be boys." 

But that’s the thing... many of us here grew up playing like that.  Cops & robbers.  Cowboys and Indians.  We took guns and knives to school.  But all of that has seemingly changed in one generation.  Why?  

 

What was “kids will be kids” in my day has turned into, “Oh, Johnny has ADHD, we had to medicate him”.  Or something similar. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, -Trinity- said:

I wonder if that has any effect on the amount of shootings in your state. I think its good thing they do that though.

It hasn’t had any effect at all, because the people doing such transfer are law-abiding citizens.  And this is not a “new” rule; it has been around for many years, in various states.  

 

It’s a GREAT rule, but as I said last night, trying to enforce it is nearly impossible.  

[Sonea 138]

3 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

I wonder if that has any effect on the amount of shootings in your state. I think its good thing they do that though.

No, last year had the highest gun homicide rate  since 2008. (California)

[spookyturtle 9,466]

1 minute ago, -Trinity- said:

I agree with you, I believe its not the weapons and definitely not a certain weapon, its rather the mentality and probably the culture that enables this type of behavior.

 

For example, i had a conversation today with a friend, she had to meet with the principal of her kid's school. Because he was playing and pretending he was shooting someone. 
Another kid was expelled this week for saying things in the school bus, like: i'm gonna kill you all, i'm going to shoot everyone.

 

Mind you, this are kids between the ages of 6 and 10. Before the shooting no one would really pay attention of a kid said something like that. Because as my friend said: " i grew up playing cowboys and police, arresting and shooting the bad guys".   And there is nothing wrong with playing as a child, but when does playing changes in having serious thoughts about killing people?

Maybe that's the same thing with the Cruz kid, maybe he grew up playing being a cowboy or a police officer and killing bad guys. And maybe people didn't take to serious what he was saying, because: " boys will be boys." 

When I was a kid, and that was a long time ago, we “played guns”. We had toy guns, cap guns, eraser guns, water pistols, etc etc. Then the ultimate gift was a BB gun. When this time came, we were taught never to point it at person. When the progression was made to real guns, this was second nature. You didn’t play with real guns. You didn’t point a real gun at anyone, the family dog, cat etc. 

 

i learned responsibility at an early age. I watched the Three Stooges and never hit anyone in the head with a hammer  or poked them in the eyes. You knew you didn’t do that, yet you could watch it and laugh. Something has changed in society.

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14 hours ago, IDWAF said:

More states than just WA require it.  And this is nothing new.  Even in states that don’t require a FFL to transfer from a private seller, there exists a responsibility on the seller’s part to ensure that they are selling to a legal buyer.  If not, then it becomes a straw sale (Jim will love this part).  That is the reason that I personally won’t sell a gun to anyone I don’t know and trust.  And I require a bill of sale with their name, address, and state DL info at a minimum.  

 

The issue is, even if it is REQUIRED by the state to do a BG check, or sell thru a FFL, how do you enforce that?  People lie about how much they paid for a used car to avoid taxes, they lie about their age to buy things, and there are people out there who just don’t care about the law and will sell to just about anybody.  Just as there are people out there who care nothing for human life, and will get a gun by any means and use it to harm others.  As has been stated over and over again, it all comes down to the nature of the person.  Some of us woould never harm another intentionally.  Some would do it if they needed.  And some just do it either out of joy or lack of caring.

 

It’s awesome that people like you and smile and others care enough to want to make a difference.  We just have to come up with the HOW to do it effectively.

My husband does the same, only selling to someone he knows. Usually one of his buddies.
But I know in Florida their is not really a requirement, I mean there might be a rule that says the buyer has to be a legal buyer etc. But there is no one who enforces this.
Why not have the same thing as when you buy it through a gun place.

 

And yes, there will be always be people who ignore the law. But if you buy a car you have to register  the title, thats a requirement, you have to have insurance, also a requirement.

If these requirements are ignored, there are penalties involved, its that simple. Why can we have such laws for buying/selling a gun?

 

And yes, im realistic...there will be still people who break the law. It will never be 100% correct, but nothing is.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, -Trinity- said:

My husband does the same, only selling to someone he knows. Usually one of his buddies.
But I know in Florida their is not really a requirement, I mean there might be a rule that says the buyer has to be a legal buyer etc. But there is no one who enforces this.
Why not have the same thing as when you buy it through a gun place.

 

And yes, there will be always be people who ignore the law. But if you buy a car you have to register  the title, thats a requirement, you have to have insurance, also a requirement.

If these requirements are ignored, there are penalties involved, its that simple. Why can we have such laws for buying/selling a gun?

 

And yes, im realistic...there will be still people who break the law. It will never be 100% correct, but nothing is.

We do.  If you ever get caught with an illegal weapon, you will have to deal with the law.  Just as you do if you are stopped without car insurance, an unregistered vehicle, etc.  Trouble is, you are much less likely to be stopped for owning an illegal weapon than driving without insurance.  But if you are willing to take that risk...