Florida School Shooting

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

Trump wants to raise the she to buy certain guns and ban bump stocks etc. 

 

Last I checked he is a Republican,  albeit one of the most centered in a long time

if he wants to get those things done, great. i hope he's successful. i don't have too much faith in this being much more than empty words, too much nra money at stake/behind the scenes. now, if the nra wanted to get these things accomplished, no doubt they'd pay to have it done and their puppets would be happy to do so..

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 hour ago, Sonea said:

 

Soldiers don't use semiautomatic firearms on the battlefield anymore.

OMFG where do you get your information from???? Because whoever it is is just plain dumb and you should NEVER EVER listen to them. The standard M16A1 was fully automatic when it first came out in the 60's during the Vietnam War, but the DOD saw how much ammunition a regular soldier wasted and compared that to accuracy and they said "NEVER AGAIN". So the DOD developed the M16A2 Service Rifle that has 2 settings on it which are Semi-Automatic and wait for it..... 3rd burst function. Which means every pull of the trigger on that function is 3 rounds and then you have to pull it again for the weapon to shoot 3 more times. The DOD through research found out that anything past 3 rounds is pretty much inaccurate to say the least. Now we have the M4 Carbine and the Marines(OORAH!!!) have the M16A4 which both have the same functions as the A2, it's just that the M4 is shorter and the A4 you are able to customize it.

 

There is usually one member of each fire team that has a M249 SAW that is able to fire fully automatic(but hardly ever does but in short bursts) and then you get in to heavy squads machine guns like the 240 or the .50. The ONLY time you ever go FULL AUTO for any amount of time is if SHTF because that barrel will get hotter than everything and warp if you don't watch out.

[Sonea 138]

8 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

OMFG where do you get your information from???? Because whoever it is is just plain dumb and you should NEVER EVER listen to them. The standard M16A1 was fully automatic when it first came out in the 60's during the Vietnam War, but the DOD saw how much ammunition a regular soldier wasted and compared that to accuracy and they said "NEVER AGAIN". So the DOD developed the M16A2 Service Rifle that has 2 settings on it which are Semi-Automatic and wait for it..... 3rd burst function. Which means every pull of the trigger on that function is 3 rounds and then you have to pull it again for the weapon to shoot 3 more times. The DOD through research found out that anything past 3 rounds is pretty much inaccurate to say the least. Now we have the M4 Carbine and the Marines(OORAH!!!) have the M16A4 which both have the same functions as the A2, it's just that the M4 is shorter and the A4 you are able to customize it.

 

There is usually one member of each fire team that has a M249 SAW that is able to fire fully automatic(but hardly ever does but in short bursts) and then you get in to heavy squads machine guns like the 240 or the .50. The ONLY time you ever go FULL AUTO for any amount of time is if SHTF because that barrel will get hotter than everything and warp if you don't watch out.

3 round burst ≠ semi automatic

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

22 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Yes they do . The M16. Has not been fully automatic in a very long time 

I'm guessing Sonea was referring to burst mode.  Makes it an automatic weapon,  and not a civilian model.

 

Also, pretty sure the M-16 was full auto, but the M4 was burst.  But would have to look again to be sure.

[Sonea 138]

25 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Yes they do . The M16. Has not been fully automatic in a very long time 

The M16A4 is select fire.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 minutes ago, Sonea said:

3 round burst ≠ semi automatic

True, but current models are both semi AND 3-burst capable.

[Sonea 138]

 

1 minute ago, IDWAF said:

True, but current models are both semi AND 3-burst capable.

Admittedly, I'm looking at what common person can acquire post NFA. The closest out there is the Franklin Binary Trigger. When you pull the trigger it fires a round, when the trigger resets it also fires a round....so its almost like getting a burst. Its legal in most states. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, Sonea said:

 

Admittedly, I'm looking at what common person can acquire post NFA. The closest out there is the Franklin Binary Trigger. When you pull the trigger it fires a round, when the trigger resets it also fires a round....so its almost like getting a burst. Its legal in most states. 

I knew what you meant, and you were correct.  And I should have said OR instead of AND above.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

6 minutes ago, Sonea said:

 

Admittedly, I'm looking at what common person can acquire post NFA. The closest out there is the Franklin Binary Trigger. When you pull the trigger it fires a round, when the trigger resets it also fires a round....so its almost like getting a burst. Its legal in most states. 

 

13 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

I'm guessing Sonea was referring to burst mode.  Makes it an automatic weapon,  and not a civilian model.

 

Also, pretty sure the M-16 was full auto, but the M4 was burst.  But would have to look again to be sure.

You have to look at the different Model number like A1 or A2. The A2 was burst but the A1 is Fully Auto. But fully auto is only good in a dense urban environment because it's highly inaccurate.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

All you MDL. Google Tennerite

 

Lol 

 

[Sonea 138]

18 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

All you MDL. Google Tennerite

 

Lol 

 

Do you mean Tannerite?

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

5 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Aren't there kitchens knives that can be used as an assault weapon?

only if they have a black handle.,,,

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

9 minutes ago, Sonea said:

Do you mean Tannerite?

Yes

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, cyberfx1024 said:

 

You have to look at the different Model number like A1 or A2. The A2 was burst but the A1 is Fully Auto. But fully auto is only good in a dense urban environment because it's highly inaccurate.

All true.  But as Sonea was saying, those are not available to the public today.  Semi autos are, which some think are assault weapons.  

 

It’s ironic... in this thread alone, we have discussed how guns are assault weapons because they are used to harm another, but how if you mention any other weapon, it’s a straw argument.  Even though they are used to assault humans.  But with the definitions used here by some, AR-anything is a weapon that shouldn’t be owned by civilians, nor should any semi-auto weapon.

 

For those not in the know, AR in AR-15 stands for ArmaLite Rifle, the developer of that style of rifle.  Assault weapons are full-auto weapons employed by the military primarily, with somewhere over 500K owned privately.  These assault rifles have never been used in mass shootings in the US to date, because they are relative rare (low ownership due to high cost and stringent requirements to own).  AR-15 style rifles have become more popular in recent years, but are no more deadly than most any other gun except perhaps a pellet gun.  In fact, most people are killed with handguns, both in single-victim incidents as well as mass shootings, than other types of guns.

 

Some here want to ban semi-auto weapons.  Some disagree.  I would ask those who want the ban... Say we ban their sale today.  No longer will it be legal to buy one.  How long do you think it will take until they are all out of circulation, considering that probably 70% or more guns today are semi-automatic?  What do you do with the legally owned ones already out there?  How do you stop people from using the illegal ones that will never show up in any database anywhere?    “If we save one life, it will be worth it”, most would agree.  But how long will such a ban take to become effective?  5 years?  10?  What do we do in the meantime to stop the senseless killing?

 

I’d give my guns up in a heartbeat if I believed we could control the murders, even though my guns have never been the cause for human harm.  I just don’t see how doing so would ever really change anything.  So that takes confiscation off the table, and most here will say that is not the goal.  If we ban all semi-autos, that means reload times become longer.  But with a revolver and a speed loader, a killer can do more damage than the average semi-auto weapon, because the shooter will be more precise with their shots, and less likely to just “spray and pray” as has been mentioned here before.

 

It is an issue that needs attention, I think we all agree.  Some of us own guns, some don’t.  But no one here among us wants to see any more loss of innocent human lives.  And the reality is... if there were an easy fix, it would have been done already.  It’s not like us here in CEHST are the only smart people in the world, the only ones who can come up with viable solutions.

 

As an aside, since it was discussed earlier in the thread, I found this about women killers:

”The most recent female shooter was a Pakistani mother who helped kill 14 partygoers at her husband’s workplace in San Bernardino, Calif., in 2015. The others are an ex-postal worker who killed a former neighbor and six employees at a Goleta, Calif., mail-processing facility in 2006; and a former tribal council chairwoman who killed her brother and three others during an eviction hearing in Alturas, Calif., in 2014.”

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

4 hours ago, smilesammich said:

maybe settle for something not banned? move to a different state? options are never annoying.

sounds like an anti abortion argument.........