Florida School Shooting

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7 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

 

Two or more?? Are you expecting to be attacked by ninjas or something?

Yes because only ninjas work in pairs. 

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M4 is used by the military.

 

AR15 would never be used since it’s a hunting rifle. 

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2 hours ago, JimandChristy said:

What do kitchen knives have to do with guns? Equating knives, cars,  etc etc is ridiculous and is just a strawman argument to justifying having guns.

No, it’s not a straw man argument.  It’s a valid argument that you do not like because it would involve something YOU own, and don’t want to give u ownership of.  THAT’S the real issue here.  

 

Just like no one wants to increase healthcare costs, so we allow doctors who kill people “by accident”, even though often times it is due to negligence, yet doctors kill FAR more people than mental health idiots with gun every year.  It’s not apples and apples, because not many doctors just set out to kill patients vs. people like Cruz, but no one even bats an eye at medical malpractice.  

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7 minutes ago, Sonea said:

 

Soldiers don't use semiautomatic firearms on the battlefield anymore.

Well not commonly

8 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Jim.  Read this really slowly.  Assault weapons are already very restricted.  As in, you would pay more for a brand new vehicle than you would for an assault weapon and the permit to own it.  

 

There are roughly 500K in private ownership (perhaps a bit more, if you add in some statistical error and collector refusal to register an older weapon):  

 

Of those, exactly ZERO have been used in the past 20 years that I am aware of.  Banning assault weapons might make you feel good inside, but it wouldn’t change a thing about shootings in the US, since they just aren’t used.

A point that has been made numerous times but totally ignored.

 

Got to go with the narrative.

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1 minute ago, IDWAF said:

Jim.  Read this really slowly.  Assault weapons are already very restricted.  As in, you would pay more for a brand new vehicle than you would for an assault weapon and the permit to own it.  

 

There are roughly 500K in private ownership (perhaps a bit more, if you add in some statistical error and collector refusal to register an older weapon):  

 

Of those, exactly ZERO have been used in the past 20 years that I am aware of.  Banning assault weapons might make you feel good inside, but it wouldn’t change a thing about shootings in the US, since they just aren’t used.

Don't act like you don't know what normal, non-gun nut people mean when they say "assault weapon". An AR-15 is, in the mindset of nearly everyone, an assault weapon. Don't try to come at me with the "well actually" argument and then try and quote statistics about automatic weapons. People are being assaulted and murdered by guns. That makes them weapons of assault, no matter how you want to split semantic hairs. You don't have to have an AR-15 to defend yourself, unless you're being stalked by Ninjas and if that's the case you've got bigger problems than your gun rights.

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1 minute ago, Boiler said:

Got to go with the narrative.

glad you're self aware. 

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4 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

Don't act like you don't know what normal, non-gun nut people mean when they say "assault weapon". An AR-15 is, in the mindset of nearly everyone, an assault weapon. Don't try to come at me with the "well actually" argument and then try and quote statistics about automatic weapons. People are being assaulted and murdered by guns. That makes them weapons of assault, no matter how you want to split semantic hairs. You don't have to have an AR-15 to defend yourself, unless you're being stalked by Ninjas and if that's the case you've got bigger problems than your gun rights.

Well I have to go outside, I will be taking my assault hammer with me, my assault chain saw is out there and I have an assault knife in my pocket.

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7 minutes ago, cyclone27 said:

 

AR15 would never be used since it’s a hunting rifle. 

Hunting people seems to be all it's good for nowadays. You can use a shotgun to hunt animals, you don't need tactical sights, bump stocks, and AR-15's to do so. It's not like the deer are shooting back.

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Just now, JimandChristy said:

Don't act like you don't know what normal, non-gun nut people mean when they say "assault weapon". An AR-15 is, in the mindset of nearly everyone, an assault weapon. Don't try to come at me with the "well actually" argument and then try and quote statistics about automatic weapons. People are being assaulted and murdered by guns. That makes them weapons of assault, no matter how you want to split semantic hairs. You don't have to have an AR-15 to defend yourself, unless you're being stalked by Ninjas and if that's the case you've got bigger problems than your gun rights.

it's the same argument every time there's a mass shooting. first, they ask if you even know what you're talking about. then, they say you have no right to discuss something you don't know anything about (like you need any more info than guns kill quickly and effectively) and then, they talk amongst themselves about various gun mechanics/types of guns/what size hole they leave - like a bunch of hobbyists dishing over their common love. it will never change. i've seen a ton of these mass shooting threads over the years.

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Just now, Boiler said:

Well I have to go outside, I will be taking my assault hammer with me, my assault chain saw is pout there and I have an assault knife in my pocket.

And if someone could murder dozens of people in a couple of minutes with a hammer I would be all for stopping people getting them. That argument is so Strawman I'm surprised it's not singing "Follow the yellow brick road".

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Just now, JimandChristy said:

Don't act like you don't know what normal, non-gun nut people mean when they say "assault weapon". An AR-15 is, in the mindset of nearly everyone, an assault weapon. Don't try to come at me with the "well actually" argument and then try and quote statistics about automatic weapons. People are being assaulted and murdered by guns. That makes them weapons of assault, no matter how you want to split semantic hairs. You don't have to have an AR-15 to defend yourself, unless you're being stalked by Ninjas and if that's the case you've got bigger problems than your gun rights.

Assault Weapon is a legal term.

 

Not all AR15s would be assault weapons. You can build what is called a "featureless" rifle to be compliant. Typically these remove the pistol grip and fix the stock in place.

 

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2 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

Hunting people seems to be all it's good for nowadays. You can use a shotgun to hunt animals, you don't need tactical sights, bump stocks, and AR-15's to do so. It's not like the deer are shooting back.

Tactical sights aka scopes are accessories. You don’t need that hunting nor a bump stock. 

 

You do realize a standard AR-15 doesn’t come with these accessories? 

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1 hour ago, smilesammich said:

just sayin, we didn't have a walmart until i was about 12..

The first Wal-Mart was 1962.  You weren’t even born yet.

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5 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

And if someone could murder dozens of people in a couple of minutes with a hammer I would be all for stopping people getting them. That argument is so Strawman I'm surprised it's not singing "Follow the yellow brick road".

4 minutes ago, cyclone27 said:

Tactical sights aka scopes are accessories. You don’t need that hunting nor a bump stock. 

 

You do realize a standard AR-15 doesn’t come with these accessories? 

Tactical sight?

 

Mil Dot?

 

 

[Sonea 138]

8 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

Hunting people seems to be all it's good for nowadays. You can use a shotgun to hunt animals, you don't need tactical sights, bump stocks, and AR-15's to do so. It's not like the deer are shooting back.

I strongly disagree. Ever since 6.5 Grendal and 6.5 Creedmore were introduced most hunters have started to switch over.