Florida School Shooting

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2 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Looks like he is not Ginger and is likely of Hispanic heratige.  Also had social media in which he was fascinated by Syrian fighters etc.

 

How racist to try to pin it on a ginger 

I don't really care if his hair was blue, green, orange, or black frankly - as he is a mass murderer. I was just giving the overall description of a photograph that circulated of him and how the police radio described him. He certainly was red-headed. I won't use the term that offended you so badly.

 

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I knew him to be passive aggressive but not violent. He was rude to people. He had an act up like he was tough. He never got into, like, physical fights with anyone, but he did get into verbal arguments,” 17-year-old Ocean Parodie told The Daily Beast. “I just thought he dropped out of school, I didn’t think he would do anything. He always kept a low profile.”

“He was definitely not accepted at our school socially. People saw him as someone who was different than the normal people at our school,” Parodie added.

 

Douglas High has a place students call “the Emo Gazebo,” he said. “That’s where all the kids that are considered weird or not accepted sat. Kids at the Emo Gazebo didn’t even accept him there. He was just an outcast...He didn’t have any friends.”

Cruz always had his hair short and had a penchant for wearing patriotic shirts that “seemed really extreme, like hating on” Islam, Parodie said. The suspected gunman would also deride Muslims as “terrorists and bombers.”

“I’ve seen him wear a Trump hat,” the student said.

“Most kids ignored him at school. They pushed him off to the side as if he was garbage. He screamed in class one time. He was upset and just started yelling at the teacher. The teacher was trying to help him and he just took it the wrong way,” Parodie continued. 

 

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Parodie’s 15-year-old sister, Milan, had a similar impression of Cruz.

“I could tell he tried to be social at times but there was something off about him,” she said. “I never really saw him with many people. Girls thought he was creepy and weird. He was pretty pale with red hair. I didn’t talk to him that much, but from what I could tell he wasn’t a nice kid. He wore a lot of black and was always alone.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nick-cruz-parkland-florida-shooting-stoneman-douglas-high-school?ref=home

 

If you'd like further confirmation of the color of the redness of his hair, I'd suggest observing his arrest photo in the article... because I won't be posting a picture of that monster here.

[Póg mo 1,749]

Just another misguided idiot, who used lax gun laws to arm himself. No matter, if a few hundred thousand innocents need to die in the name of "freedom", I guess its a price worth paying. MERICA!

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19 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Just another misguided idiot, who used lax gun laws to arm himself. No matter, if a few hundred thousand innocents need to die in the name of "freedom", I guess its a price worth paying. MERICA!

Oh, Do stop with the drivel.  What an ignorant thing to say in the wake of this tragedy.  Do you honestly think that any normal person would think this is worth any sort of freedom?

 

But since you decided on a dramatic response approach vs a fact-filled one, and used “a few hundred thousand” as a starting point, ponder this:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm 

Edited February 15, 2018 by IDWAF

[Póg mo 1,749]

32 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Oh, Do stop with the drivel.  What an ignorant thing to say in the wake of this tragedy.  Do you honestly think that any normal person would think this is worth any sort of freedom?

Define normal, and then explain how it is that despite leading the world in school shootings, time after time, nothing ever happens, and why the only solution allowed is to make it easier for people to  posses and carry firearms. 

32 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

But since you decided on a dramatic response approach vs a fact-filled one, and used “a few hundred thousand” as a starting point, ponder this:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm 

I got it, because more people die from from x, then we shouldn't worry about people dieing from z?  How come it makes sense to wage war against another country thousands of miles away, after several thousand people are murdered by terrorism, but a far greater number die each year from gun deaths

and nothing is ever done to maybe reduce these numbers? 

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8 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Define normal, and then explain how it is that despite leading the world in school shootings, time after time, nothing ever happens, and why the only solution allowed is to make it easier for people to  posses and carry firearms. 

I got it, because more people die from from x, then we shouldn't worry about people dieing from z?  How come it makes sense to wage war against another country thousands of miles away, after several thousand people are murdered by terrorism, but a far greater number die each year from gun deaths

and nothing is ever done to maybe reduce these numbers? 

Normal, as in you and I.

 

What do you mean, nothing ever happens?  The perp gets dead or arrested.  If justice is served correctly, said perp will never again get the chance to repeat the offense.  

 

Now, tell me what has changed in the past 5 or 10 years to make it easier for people to buy guns?  Have you ever bought a gun?

 

You mentioned hundreds of thousands of innocent people dying, alluding to gun deaths.  But that would take at least 10-20 years to add up to those numbers.  2 is two too many... why all the hyperbole?  Killers kill people.  That’s what they do.  And unless/until we can detect who these killers are BEFORE they kill, then there isn’t much that can be done to remedy the problem.  Me?  I say kill everyone who does it.  May not stop the problem, but it might make someone think twice if they KNOW they will die if they seek to kill another human being.

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https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Remington-files-for-bankruptcy-amid-declining-gun-12609519.php

 

Hmmm no gun seller in chief to support their sales.

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18 minutes ago, Boiler said:

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Remington-files-for-bankruptcy-amid-declining-gun-12609519.php

 

Hmmm no gun seller in chief to support their sales.

Bail them out in Chaper 11?  Bump that.  If they don’t know how to budget well enough to cover lagging sales, then they deserve the pain they are going thru.  I felt the same way about the automotive industry bailout.

 

https://www.thebalance.com/auto-industry-bailout-gm-ford-chrysler-3305670

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Just now, IDWAF said:

Bail them out in Chaper 11?  Bump that.  If they don’t know how to budget well enough to cover lagging sales, then they deserve the pain they are going thru.  I felt the same way about the automotive industry bailout.

 

https://www.thebalance.com/auto-industry-bailout-gm-ford-chrysler-3305670

I assumed Hillary would win and sales continue booming.

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2 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I assumed Hillary would win and sales continue booming.

I’m pretty sure she did win.  Every single news outlet was reporting her winning just hours before the polls were closed.  Did I miss something?

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28 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

I’m pretty sure she did win.  Every single news outlet was reporting her winning just hours before the polls were closed.  Did I miss something?

Not sure that is correct, CNN would have lost their reason to live.

[OriZ 3,157]

I think the solution is pretty simple and doesn't include disarming people. I can't figure out why no one has decided to put an armed guard in schools...I'm sure there are many vets who could use the job. Many schools all around the world do that, even ones that don't have gun carrying citizens. Also, I see no wrong with letting teachers carry guns. One of the only places in the world to allow people to have guns, decided foolishly a school should be a gun free zone(btw, didn't Trump promise he was going to change that?). That's just asking for trouble. I guarantee this wouldn't happen with an armed guard and/or teachers.

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1 hour ago, OriZ said:

I think the solution is pretty simple and doesn't include disarming people. I can't figure out why no one has decided to put an armed guard in schools...I'm sure there are many vets who could use the job. Many schools all around the world do that, even ones that don't have gun carrying citizens. Also, I see no wrong with letting teachers carry guns. One of the only places in the world to allow people to have guns, decided foolishly a school should be a gun free zone(btw, didn't Trump promise he was going to change that?). That's just asking for trouble. I guarantee this wouldn't happen with an armed guard and/or teachers.

Yes, this seems to be the sensible thing to do, but as you know, there will be opposition to a plan like that saying something like the armed guard(s) scare the students.  Since these are "gun free" zones, many uninformed folks believe that anyone having a gun violates that feel good policy.

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3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Yes, this seems to be the sensible thing to do, but as you know, there will be opposition to a plan like that saying something like the armed guard(s) scare the students.  Since these are "gun free" zones, many uninformed folks believe that anyone having a gun violates that feel good policy.

What is the penalty for taking a gun into a gun free zone?

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This case it seems everyone knew the lad was disturbed yet did not tell anyone. This one could have been prevented if his peers would have spoken up.

Edited February 15, 2018 by cyclone27

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9 minutes ago, cyclone27 said:

This case it seems everyone knew the lad was disturbed yet did not tell anyone. This one could have been prevented if his peers would have spoken up.

I do not think so, there is a nutso lady locally, everybody including the Police and the Court knows, but there is only so much they can do, seem to remember the ACLU case many years ago seriously limits any action.