Florida School Shooting

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/03/london-schools-urged-install-metal-detectors-help-stop-knife-crime

 

Police have urged more London schools to install metal scanners to protect children from rising violent crime as the death toll of under-25s from stabbings in the capital this year reached 17. The “knife arches” are one of a range of measures the Metropolitan police believe can help prevent attacks with bladed weapons, which rose by 24% last year in London and are rising nationally.

The Guardian has learned that the Met has increased stop and search in knife crime hotspots, fearing a further surge in attacks in the weeks to come. It has also set up a new squad of 80 officers to send into areas to carry out “murder suppression” work as well as trying to foster closer cooperation between officers and schools and communities.

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I wonder how effective that would be against ceramic knives?

[TBoneTX 45,309]

9 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

the question is what is the true root cause of these issues?

 

8 hours ago, -Trinity- said:

it's a combination, increase of mental health issues and easy access to a gun.

The aspect not discussed here so far, and not widely discussed period, is that many if not most of these shooters are misfits, ignored or shunned by mainstream society.

 

No one heeds them in person.  Few or no people "like" their Facebook ramblings.

 

What then is the proven way of getting (their warped idea of long-overdue) recognition and publicity?  Shoot up a school, or a nightclub, or a social gathering.

 

That ensures that they'll finally be on the front page of every newspaper, and atop every national and local TV newscast, and on everybody's lips, for days and weeks and years.  This is the goal of -- and the payoff for -- their murderous actions.

 

If the mainstream media (whom we suspect already collude on many issues) were to resolve that no such perpetrator's name would ever be publicized (until perhaps after execution), the reward for these maladroits -- the "carrot" dangled so temptingly under their noses -- will be taken away before the idea enters their minds.

 

Guns are merely a vehicle to attain the reward.  It's the same with cars, knives, bombs, poison, machetes, or any other inanimate item.  Remove the reward, and the entire murderous avenue toward that reward (whatever the vehicle) is removed before the reward can even become a factor.

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2 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

 

The aspect not discussed here so far, and not widely discussed period, is that many if not most of these shooters are misfits, ignored or shunned by mainstream society.

 

No one heeds them in person.  Few or no people "like" their Facebook ramblings.

 

What then is the proven way of getting (their warped idea of long-overdue) recognition and publicity?  Shoot up a school, or a nightclub, or a social gathering.

 

That ensures that they'll finally be on the front page of every newspaper, and atop every national and local TV newscast, and on everybody's lips, for days and weeks and years.  This is the goal of -- and the payoff for -- their murderous actions.

 

If the mainstream media (whom we suspect already collude on many issues) were to resolve that no such perpetrator's name would ever be publicized (until perhaps after execution), the reward for these maladroits -- the "carrot" dangled so temptingly under their noses -- will be taken away before the idea enters their minds.

 

Guns are merely a vehicle to attain the reward.  It's the same with cars, knives, bombs, poison, machetes, or any other inanimate item.  Remove the reward, and the entire murderous avenue toward that reward (whatever the vehicle) is removed before the reward can even become a factor.

You wonder how this correlates with the victim mentality that is now pervasive in our culture?

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5 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Guns are merely a vehicle to attain the reward.  It's the same with cars, knives, bombs, poison, machetes, or any other inanimate item.  Remove the reward, and the entire murderous avenue toward that reward (whatever the vehicle) is removed before the reward can even become a factor.

That's a good point, but modern day media thrives on this kind of story.  It is fuel for the social engineering agenda they push for.

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9 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

 

The aspect not discussed here so far, and not widely discussed period, is that many if not most of these shooters are misfits, ignored or shunned by mainstream society.

 

No one heeds them in person.  Few or no people "like" their Facebook ramblings.

 

What then is the proven way of getting (their warped idea of long-overdue) recognition and publicity?  Shoot up a school, or a nightclub, or a social gathering.

 

That ensures that they'll finally be on the front page of every newspaper, and atop every national and local TV newscast, and on everybody's lips, for days and weeks and years.  This is the goal of -- and the payoff for -- their murderous actions.

 

If the mainstream media (whom we suspect already collude on many issues) were to resolve that no such perpetrator's name would ever be publicized (until perhaps after execution), the reward for these maladroits -- the "carrot" dangled so temptingly under their noses -- will be taken away before the idea enters their minds.

 

Guns are merely a vehicle to attain the reward.  It's the same with cars, knives, bombs, poison, machetes, or any other inanimate item.  Remove the reward, and the entire murderous avenue toward that reward (whatever the vehicle) is removed before the reward can even become a factor.

 

It definitely took a lot longer to come up in this thread than it normally does, eh?  Still no less true.  But as others have said, the media today would NEVER let that happen.  Far more dramatic to publish as many juicy details (even if they are proven wrong later) to get a headline or their face on a page somewhere.

 

Zero recognition for the killer, execution for the killer, and a 2-line blurb about 2-3 months later...

”The man who shot up the XXXX school 4 months ago was put to death today.”

In other news...

 

No glory, and not much motivation to repeat the offense, since the person was quietly put to death for their deed.

[-Trinity- 513]

15 hours ago, IDWAF said:

I admit my experience with such is nil, but I thought they usually got the munchies and really sleepy?

If you have time, look into cannabis and schizophrenia, an increasing serious mental health problem. Don't want to get to much into it,but I can guarantee you that's messed up.

 

Who knows the (later diagnosed) mental patient owns guns?  Family?  Friends?  Would YOU turn your own husband over to the police if he were diagnosed and owned guns?  Not sure too many would.  And as I said above, if the guns were purchased privately, they wouldn’t be in any database (which should be the first line of defense).

I would, for sure.. again because I have seen how mental health problems can change the personality of a person. If my husband suddenly would have a serious mental health issue, I would try to convince him to give his guns up. If that doesn't work I'm not going to put us and other people in danger. I see that as a responsibility, and I certainly wouldn't want to have blood on my hands.

 

15 hours ago, IDWAF said:

There is no good answer to this question.  Guns aside, why do people murder others they don’t even know?  Is it the weapon’s fault?  The victim’s?  The environment’s (A school without metal detectors)?  The fault lies squarely on the murderer, period.  Whether the victim(s) is(are) killed with bare hands, rocks, knives, cars, guns, arrows, a ball point pen, a nail file (you get the idea)... the perp is to blame, and that person has chosen to ignore the rights of the victim(s).  You cannot prevent that, you can only punish that. 

It's defenitly not the victims fault, as I said previously it's a combination of factors, and that's something that needs to examined, evaluated and solved by those who are in charge.Thats what leaders are for

Btw, I don't consider this arguing, rather an exchange of thoughts about a serious matter that no one has the solution for, but that needs to be solved in the best way possible.

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9 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

 

The aspect not discussed here so far, and not widely discussed period, is that many if not most of these shooters are misfits, ignored or shunned by mainstream society.

 

No one heeds them in person.  Few or no people "like" their Facebook ramblings.

 

What then is the proven way of getting (their warped idea of long-overdue) recognition and publicity?  Shoot up a school, or a nightclub, or a social gathering.

 

That ensures that they'll finally be on the front page of every newspaper, and atop every national and local TV newscast, and on everybody's lips, for days and weeks and years.  This is the goal of -- and the payoff for -- their murderous actions.

 

If the mainstream media (whom we suspect already collude on many issues) were to resolve that no such perpetrator's name would ever be publicized (until perhaps after execution), the reward for these maladroits -- the "carrot" dangled so temptingly under their noses -- will be taken away before the idea enters their minds.

 

Guns are merely a vehicle to attain the reward.  It's the same with cars, knives, bombs, poison, machetes, or any other inanimate item.  Remove the reward, and the entire murderous avenue toward that reward (whatever the vehicle) is removed before the reward can even become a factor.

That might be correct,but as long as it's not tested we won't know if that's the reason. Would the amount of shootings decrease if we take away platforms like media and social media? Maybe.

 

The day after the shooting, my neighbor across the street who is a teacher at a high school, his school locked down because of a threat.

 

I don't believe it was a coincidence, but after a couple hours turned out it was false alarm. 

 

After the San Bernardino shootings same thing happened with school district in LA, all schools locked down because they received serious threats. That day I had to explain to my oldest that she couldn't go to school because there might be a killer hiding in the building. 

 

She was scared to go to school for a long time.

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I would love to see these signs at my grandchildrens' schools

 

[JimandChristy 1,689]

6 hours ago, missileman said:

I would love to see these signs at my grandchildrens' schools

 

Maybe they should show them this

Edited February 19, 2018 by JimandChristy

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48 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

Maybe they should show them this

That makes zero sense, other than a church would be where I would expect to hear such a horrible thing.  

 

Who loves their guns more than their kids?

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On 2/14/2018 at 8:19 PM, Póg mo said:

Just another misguided idiot, who used lax gun laws to arm himself. No matter, if a few hundred thousand innocents need to die in the name of "freedom", I guess its a price worth paying. MERICA!

Explain to me your comment please it makes absolutely no sense. 

 

Germany (where I am from ) and France have some of the strictest gun laws in the world. Yet it is very easy for a criminal to get a gun . For example Charlie Hebdo attack . All of the terrorists had ak47 from the black market . There is a new york times article that describes how a journalist completely fresh off the plane gets his hands on an ASSAULT RIFLE ( illegal in the usa ) in 30 minutes on the black market in Paris . 

There were school shootings in Germany also mostly done with Pistols and hunting rifles .

 

The motorcycle gangs in Berlin for example shoot at each other every night on the streets in front of Bars Clubs etc... The bad people will always have guns . I have pistols I open carry sometimes me and my wife own AR-15s and like 99 percent of law abiding gun owners use it only to defend ourselves. To protect family and property . With your logic how many more muslim terrorists have to kill americans until we ban all muslims from entering the USA? 

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21 minutes ago, mustang85635 said:

Explain to me your comment please it makes absolutely no sense. 

 

Germany (where I am from ) and France have some of the strictest gun laws in the world. Yet it is very easy for a criminal to get a gun . For example Charlie Hebdo attack . All of the terrorists had ak47 from the black market . There is a new york times article that describes how a journalist completely fresh off the plane gets his hands on an ASSAULT RIFLE ( illegal in the usa ) in 30 minutes on the black market in Paris . 

There were school shootings in Germany also mostly done with Pistols and hunting rifles .

 

The motorcycle gangs in Berlin for example shoot at each other every night on the streets in front of Bars Clubs etc... The bad people will always have guns . I have pistols I open carry sometimes me and my wife own AR-15s and like 99 percent of law abiding gun owners use it only to defend ourselves. To protect family and property . With your logic how many more muslim terrorists have to kill americans until we ban all muslims from entering the USA? 

You don't make any sense. You ramble on about how easy it is to get guns, and that bad people always have guns, then talk how you and your wife are open carry ar-15 owners and like 99% are law abiding citizens. Now correct me if I am wrong, but neither Germany or France have anywhere near the number of school shootings and even formally law abiding citizens can use guns to cause harm to themselves and others. It's also a statistical fact that house holds that have guns, are much more likely to be shot guns. Perhaps gun owners are overly confident in their ability to use their guns to defend themselves.

 

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

More firearms do not keep people safe, hard numbers show. Why do so many Americans believe the opposite?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

 

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12 hours ago, -Trinity- said:

That might be correct,but as long as it's not tested we won't know if that's the reason. Would the amount of shootings decrease if we take away platforms like media and social media? Maybe.

 

The day after the shooting, my neighbor across the street who is a teacher at a high school, his school locked down because of a threat.

 

I don't believe it was a coincidence, but after a couple hours turned out it was false alarm. 

 

After the San Bernardino shootings same thing happened with school district in LA, all schools locked down because they received serious threats. That day I had to explain to my oldest that she couldn't go to school because there might be a killer hiding in the building. 

 

She was scared to go to school for a long time.

In a way it has been tested - with suicides.

 

In the mid 1980s there were a number of suicides in vienna's subway system. The media reported every suicide in great detail and the suicides grew. Finally there was a media ban on reporting them after which they discovered an 80% reduction in suicides.

 

Its a mental contagion. More publications of shootings creates a similar contagion. 20 years ago, there were no vehicular attacks, but after one about 8 years ago it seems vehicular attacks are also increasing.

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35 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

You don't make any sense. You ramble on about how easy it is to get guns, and that bad people always have guns, then talk how you and your wife are open carry ar-15 owners and like 99% are law abiding citizens. Now correct me if I am wrong, but neither Germany or France have anywhere near the number of school shootings and even formally law abiding citizens can use guns to cause harm to themselves and others. It's also a statistical fact that house holds that have guns, are much more likely to be shot guns. Perhaps gun owners are overly confident in their ability to use their guns to defend themselves.

 

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

More firearms do not keep people safe, hard numbers show. Why do so many Americans believe the opposite?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

 

Yes I was referring to the fact that thugs and criminals have no problems getting a gun . But good people do not have that oppertunity as we do here where good law abiding people can have guns just like all the criminal thugs in chicago, los angeles or miami. You think criminals care if they are on a no buy list ? Never said more guns stop more crimes . Idk why you would pull that up . 

 

Yes you are wrong . Especially with muslim terrorist attacks there have been hundreds of people shot over the last year . The concert attack 120+shot , charlie hebdo few dozens, muslim shooting up a christian church . Just go on wikipedia there is a whole list . Comparing to the size and population youd have to factor in all 30plus european countries not just one. Otherwise just compare Florida and France which would be more fair and youll see France will easily top the list with mass shootings in the last two to three years . 

 

Me and my wife have guns and open carry because of the limited amount of police around the area where I live . Here the people and neighbourhood protects themselves. This is the whole reason of the second amendment in the first place . Do you know how many times France and Germany fits into Texas ? You are comparing apples and oranges here do you not see that . The population density is night and day and in many places in the southwest liek AZ and TX most people live far away from any law enforcement station . With response times in 1-2 hours who will protect you and your family when you have someoen breaking in ?

 

This disconnect you are showing is exactly the reason trump won . 

 

Statistical facts that households with guns are more likely to be shot gun ? Explain this lol makes no sense reading it . 

 

Inform yourself of the reason why there is a second amendment in the first place please . 

 

As a hint its so this country doesent end up like Venezuela one day.