Florida School Shooting

[Póg mo 1,749]

6 minutes ago, Boiler said:

There was a school safety bill, some Party blocked it....

Sure, now you want the government to solve your problems.

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7 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Sure, now you want the government to solve your problems.

I would have thought any reasonable person considers there is a place for Government.

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[TBoneTX 45,309]

9 hours ago, Boiler said:

some of Cruz's characteristics 'suggest that he might have been living with an invisible brain-based condition - it could have been FASD or many others.'

Conditions of FASD can range from mild to severe but can include learning disabilities, intellectual disability or low IQ, poor reasoning and judgment and a host of other issues. 

Normally, this would be the chief excuse for behavior like his, and it would get him completely off the hook.

[Merle 458]

On 2/16/2018 at 10:06 AM, yuna628 said:

The police, as we did many times living in the city. At some point we also had a rather nasty, protective dog that would have made mincemeat out of anything that so much as came near his 'pack'. We never thought about guns, simply because of the way my parents were raised and instilled values in us about taking another life. Shooting intruders in the city is never wise, as it usually ends up causing the homeowner to be the one also hauled off to jail. When we had a very dangerous serial killer that was hiding in people's sheds to evade capture, my dog was always by my side, and a knife on my hip.

 

In the old days of course no one worried about such things. We had no need to. The city was fairly safe then, and the community looked out for each other.

In my current community I only feel safer that we have multiple LEO's on this street, but I feel less safe that a lot of our neighbors have guns, and regularly discharge them in an unsafe manner. One neighbor had a bullet go through a wall near his son's bed. One child died because someone got drunk and fired a shot. And some just enjoy drunkenly shooting into the air for 'funtimes'. I'm not sure any of them use guns around these parts for 'protection', they tend to use it as a source of amusement when intoxicated.

It's your right to not own a gun and I would never try to convince you otherwise. I also have values and would never want to have to shoot someone but if it comes down to my life or a lived ones life vs that of a person intent on doing us harm I'm  going to choose us every time. Unfortunately their are many people in this world don't share my or your values. As far as idiots shooting in the air, i have no problem with them losing their right to own a gun. They are not the type of people the NRA or any responsible gun owner are trying to protect from losing that right.

Edited February 17, 2018 by Merle

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Below is a comprehensive list  of all the mass shootings which were  done by NRA members:::::::::

 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2018 by missileman

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27 minutes ago, missileman said:

Below is a comprehensive list  of all the mass shootings which were  done by NRA members:::::::::

 

 

 

We get it, none of the mass shootings are committed by NRA members.

 

But no one can deny that there is a huge problem in the USA. Question is: what is the government going to do to protect it's citizens.

 

Trump is putting an end to illegal immigration, he is planning to build a wall and if it's up to him, people from certain countries will never set foot on US soil. Presumably because they are potential terrorists, and a danger to the USA.

 

I'm dying ( no pun intended) to learn what Trump's plan will be to protect innocent citizens, against USA terrorists. So far I haven't heard nothing else then the words : no kid should feel unsafe at school. No kidding... really?

 

And so far the response of people I know, who own guns and are anti gun restrictions: yeah, this is part of life...get over it.

Edited February 17, 2018 by -Trinity-

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Just now, -Trinity- said:

We get it, none of the mass shootings are committed by NRA members.

 

But no one can deny that there is a huge problem in the USA. Question is: what is the government going to do to protect it's citizens.

 

Trump is putting an end to illegal immigration, he is planning to build a wall and if it's up to him, people from certain countries will never set foot on US soil. 

 

I'm dying ( no pun intended) to learn what Trump's plan will be to protect innocent citizens. So far I haven't heard nothing else then the words : no kid should feel unsafe at school.

 

And so far the response of people I know, who own guns and are anti gun restrictions: yeah, this is part of life...get over it.

I agree that we need to act immediately to ensure the safety of our children in schools.........."gun free zone" signs aren't protection.  We need an immediate upgrade in security including armed teachers and guards.  Why are the lives of our children given less protection than the money in our banks???

 

1.  Guns are here to stay.  Confiscating or banning will never happen

2.  No one can stop every crazy person who wants to kill innocent children.

3.  The ONLY workable, immediate plan of action is to enact defensive measures against these killers.

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29 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

We get it, none of the mass shootings are committed by NRA members.

 

But no one can deny that there is a huge problem in the USA. Question is: what is the government going to do to protect it's citizens.

 

Trump is putting an end to illegal immigration, he is planning to build a wall and if it's up to him, people from certain countries will never set foot on US soil. Presumably because they are potential terrorists, and a danger to the USA.

 

I'm dying ( no pun intended) to learn what Trump's plan will be to protect innocent citizens, against USA terrorists. So far I haven't heard nothing else then the words : no kid should feel unsafe at school. No kidding... really?

 

And so far the response of people I know, who own guns and are anti gun restrictions: yeah, this is part of life...get over it.

I think many people are going to have a really hard job taking seriously anything those who defend sanctuary cities seriously on this subject.

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32 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I think many people are going to have a really hard job taking seriously anything those who defend sanctuary cities seriously on this subject.

I don't know who you are referring too?

 

 

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58 minutes ago, missileman said:

I agree that we need to act immediately to ensure the safety of our children in schools.........."gun free zone" signs aren't protection.  We need an immediate upgrade in security including armed teachers and guards.  Why are the lives of our children given less protection than the money in our banks???

 

1.  Guns are here to stay.  Confiscating or banning will never happen

2.  No one can stop every crazy person who wants to kill innocent children.

3.  The ONLY workable, immediate plan of action is to enact defensive measures against these killers.

Well maybe that's what is needed to stop this madness. I want my children, and other parents as well, to be safe at school.

 

Their rights come before the rights of any potential killer.

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27 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

Well maybe that's what is needed to stop this madness. I want my children, and other parents as well, to be safe at school.

 

Their rights come before the rights of any potential killer.

Completely agree, but the question is what is the true root cause of these issues?  I don’t think it is access to guns as those have been around for a long time, and if they are gone, people like this guy in Florida would still find a way. 

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54 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Completely agree, but the question is what is the true root cause of these issues?  I don’t think it is access to guns as those have been around for a long time, and if they are gone, people like this guy in Florida would still find a way. 

I believe it's a combination, increase of mental health issues and easy access to a gun.

 

This guy, and the guy before him, had serious mental health problems among a list of other problems. Yet, it seems they could buy a gun fairly easy. How is that possible? 

 

I read the other day that Trump blocked a rule that would prevent people with mental health issues buying guns.Why? 

 

So when this words about " children shouldn't feel unsafe at school"  come out of his mouth I'm not impressed a bit. A bunch of BS... 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2018 by -Trinity-

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31 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

I believe it's a combination, increase of mental health issues and easy access to a gun.

 

This guy, and the guy before him, had serious mental health problems among a list of other problems. Yet, it seems they could buy a gun fairly easy. How is that possible? 

 

I read the other day that Trump blocked a rule that would prevent people with mental health issues buying guns.Why? 

 

So when this words about " children shouldn't feel unsafe at school"  come out of his mouth I'm not impressed a bit. A bunch of BS... 

 

 

I hear what you are saying, but guns are not easier to access today.  When I was a kid, they were a LOT easier to get.  100 years ago, even easier.  In the 1800s, every many alive in the US carried guns, and many of the women.  Back then, the only thing between a human and a gun was money.  Yes, people died.  No, there weren’t many mass murders, except those committed by our government.

 

Buying a gun today is not a simple task.  If you are a legit buyer, it involves proof and time.  If you are a criminal, you bypass those obstacles and buy on the black market.

 

As has been asked by those who own guns, and many, many times, is... What is the root cause to the issue of mass shootings?  If you accept that guns have been a part of our culture since the country as we know it was formed, then what leads these “sick” individuals to show no care for human life, and kill wantonly?  Access to guns make the act easier.  Removing the guns will not remove the desire to commit the act, I promise you.

 

ETA: And before you blame Trump for this, ask yourself: What did Obama do about it?  Bush I & II?  Clinton?

Edited February 17, 2018 by IDWAF

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25 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

I hear what you are saying, but guns are not easier to access today.  When I was a kid, they were a LOT easier to get.  100 years ago, even easier.  In the 1800s, every many alive in the US carried guns, and many of the women.  Back then, the only thing between a human and a gun was money.  Yes, people died.  No, there weren’t many mass murders, except those committed by our government.

 

Buying a gun today is not a simple task.  If you are a legit buyer, it involves proof and time.  If you are a criminal, you bypass those obstacles and buy on the black market.

 

As has been asked by those who own guns, and many, many times, is... What is the root cause to the issue of mass shootings?  If you accept that guns have been a part of our culture since the country as we know it was formed, then what leads these “sick” individuals to show no care for human life, and kill wantonly?  Access to guns make the act easier.  Removing the guns will not remove the desire to commit the act, I promise you.

 

ETA: And before you blame Trump for this, ask yourself: What did Obama do about it?  Bush I & II?  Clinton?

To start with your last sentence, I don't blame Trump for the shooting, I hold him accountable if he fails to come up with a solution. I haven't been in America that long to truly experience Obama's policy, and during Bush I was still living in Europe. But I can guarantee you if I had lived here my thoughts would have been exactly the same. My political views are based on what actions a leader is actually taking, I don't bash a leader just because I feel like it, or because I belong to a certain political party.

 

So far Trump is very clear about what he wants to do when it comes to limiting immigration, he doesn't hesitate to point out that he does so to protect the Americans. So why not take some actions ( no words, actions) to protect the Americans against domestic terorrism?

 

It's funny, I never mention gun restrictions, yet every time I have this discussion the argument is: taking the guns away is not the solution. Why is that? It's really interesting to see that reaction ( not just by you btw, but also among my friends and family members who are anti gun restrictions) even when I say: gun restrictions aren't the solution.

 

But something has to change, just accepting this as part of life isn't helping either: three massive shootings in less then 6 months...that's really worries me. And it should worry everyone in this country. 

 

Yes criminals will always find ways to buy guns, it's been proven over and over again. And I know how the process of buying a gun works, and certain people can't buy a gun legally. But the majority can, even the people who have a serious mental health issue. 

 

And if Trump's says that the shooting was an act committed by a "sicko" then he HAS the obligation and responsibility to put an end to it. He is the one in office now, not Obama or Bush.

 

 

 

Edited February 18, 2018 by -Trinity-