Florida School Shooting

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7 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

If I had to choose between 11 minutes and 5 seconds, I would prefer to call on myself.

Where I am 11 minutes would be a miracle.

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6 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Where I am 11 minutes would be a miracle.

Was just using the national average.  11 minutes is a virtual eternity in a dangerous situation such as a home burglary.  Good thing they hardly ever happen in America...

[yuna628 9,712]

2 hours ago, Merle said:

Who would you call if someone was breaking into your house in the middle of the night? 

The police, as we did many times living in the city. At some point we also had a rather nasty, protective dog that would have made mincemeat out of anything that so much as came near his 'pack'. We never thought about guns, simply because of the way my parents were raised and instilled values in us about taking another life. Shooting intruders in the city is never wise, as it usually ends up causing the homeowner to be the one also hauled off to jail. When we had a very dangerous serial killer that was hiding in people's sheds to evade capture, my dog was always by my side, and a knife on my hip.

 

In the old days of course no one worried about such things. We had no need to. The city was fairly safe then, and the community looked out for each other.

In my current community I only feel safer that we have multiple LEO's on this street, but I feel less safe that a lot of our neighbors have guns, and regularly discharge them in an unsafe manner. One neighbor had a bullet go through a wall near his son's bed. One child died because someone got drunk and fired a shot. And some just enjoy drunkenly shooting into the air for 'funtimes'. I'm not sure any of them use guns around these parts for 'protection', they tend to use it as a source of amusement when intoxicated.

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22 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

The police, as we did many times living in the city. At some point we also had a rather nasty, protective dog that would have made mincemeat out of anything that so much as came near his 'pack'. We never thought about guns, simply because of the way my parents were raised and instilled values in us about taking another life. Shooting intruders in the city is never wise, as it usually ends up causing the homeowner to be the one also hauled off to jail. When we had a very dangerous serial killer that was hiding in people's sheds to evade capture, my dog was always by my side, and a knife on my hip.

 

In the old days of course no one worried about such things. We had no need to. The city was fairly safe then, and the community looked out for each other.

In my current community I only feel safer that we have multiple LEO's on this street, but I feel less safe that a lot of our neighbors have guns, and regularly discharge them in an unsafe manner. One neighbor had a bullet go through a wall near his son's bed. One child died because someone got drunk and fired a shot. And some just enjoy drunkenly shooting into the air for 'funtimes'. I'm not sure any of them use guns around these parts for 'protection', they tend to use it as a source of amusement when intoxicated.

do you have a solution to the fact that our children are left defenseless in the illusion of gun free zones....

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Wow!!!   Bad news for the FBI.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-failed-to-act-on-tip-last-month-that-cruz-might-carry-out-school-shooting/2018/02/16/a95e08be-133e-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.html?utm_term=.73682c1264cc

[yuna628 9,712]

32 minutes ago, missileman said:

do you have a solution to the fact that our children are left defenseless in the illusion of gun free zones....

I have already made a few suggestions here that not many agree with. However, this school had armed officers on campus - many schools now do. I do not believe the school in question has metal detectors, but that may not have even made a difference in this case. He managed to breach a door, that should have been locked perhaps.

In this case many people (as always) dropped the ball big time. We can certainly point at the FBI, but before it even reached that point - after 36 times of coming out to his home, not once was he arrested for violence. They were aware of established mental problems, yet it never appeared in the database. He threatened individuals in the school and brought weapons to school, and was never arrested. If you do this at a school in Baltimore, you would be arrested. All of these things, if properly done, could have prevented him from obtaining a firearm.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I have already made a few suggestions here that not many agree with. However, this school had armed officers on campus - many schools now do. I do not believe the school in question has metal detectors, but that may not have even made a difference in this case. He managed to breach a door, that should have been locked perhaps.

In this case many people (as always) dropped the ball big time. We can certainly point at the FBI, but before it even reached that point - after 36 times of coming out to his home, not once was he arrested for violence. They were aware of established mental problems, yet it never appeared in the database. He threatened individuals in the school and brought weapons to school, and was never arrested. If you do this at a school in Baltimore, you would be arrested. All of these things, if properly done, could have prevented him from obtaining a firearm.

Agree, sadly multiple failures, address those would be a good start.

 

Seems nobody who know his is at all surprised.

Edited February 16, 2018 by Boiler

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5 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I have already made a few suggestions here that not many agree with. However, this school had armed officers on campus - many schools now do. I do not believe the school in question has metal detectors, but that may not have even made a difference in this case. He managed to breach a door, that should have been locked perhaps.

In this case many people (as always) dropped the ball big time. We can certainly point at the FBI, but before it even reached that point - after 36 times of coming out to his home, not once was he arrested for violence. They were aware of established mental problems, yet it never appeared in the database. He threatened individuals in the school and brought weapons to school, and was never arrested. If you do this at a school in Baltimore, you would be arrested. All of these things, if properly done, could have prevented him from obtaining a firearm.

 

 

Agree.  I heard that this school had one officer on campus.  I think adequate security upgrades, if done properly, could act as a safety net when failures like these happen.  I am sad that there were so many times people ,who should have acted BEFORE the tragic event,  simply failed to recognize him as a threat.

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2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

The police, as we did many times living in the city. At some point we also had a rather nasty, protective dog that would have made mincemeat out of anything that so much as came near his 'pack'. We never thought about guns, simply because of the way my parents were raised and instilled values in us about taking another life. Shooting intruders in the city is never wise, as it usually ends up causing the homeowner to be the one also hauled off to jail. When we had a very dangerous serial killer that was hiding in people's sheds to evade capture, my dog was always by my side, and a knife on my hip.

 

In the old days of course no one worried about such things. We had no need to. The city was fairly safe then, and the community looked out for each other.

In my current community I only feel safer that we have multiple LEO's on this street, but I feel less safe that a lot of our neighbors have guns, and regularly discharge them in an unsafe manner. One neighbor had a bullet go through a wall near his son's bed. One child died because someone got drunk and fired a shot. And some just enjoy drunkenly shooting into the air for 'funtimes'. I'm not sure any of them use guns around these parts for 'protection', they tend to use it as a source of amusement when intoxicated.

So you had an attack dog?  Interesting, they never go out-of-control from their masters.  Your other point is spot on and seems to be the real root cause of this issue along with the political mentality that everyone is a victim now days. 

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How were at least 15 warning signs missed for Nikolas Cruz?

 

1. 'I'm going to be a professional school shooter'

Nikolas Cruz left a comment on a YouTube video back in September using his own name that simply read: 'I'm going to be a professional school shooter' 

2. FBI was warned about the comment but couldn't identify him

Vlogger Ben Bennight alerted the FBI to the comment shared by Cruz. The FBI was quick to respond, arriving at his office the next day but only after Bennight called a local field agent, revealing his initial attempts to send in a screengrab of the comment failed when the email address he found listed on the agency's website came back with a domain error saying it did not exist. The FBI was unable to identify the person who posted the comment.

3. Bought an AR-15 age 18

After Cruz's mother died, he eventually moved in the the family of a former classmate, where he brought his AR-15 which was kept in a locked cabinet that he had the key to. He was able to purchase the rifle in the past year and passed a required background check. Federal law allowed people 18 and over to legally purchase long guns. At 21, people can legally buy handguns from a license dealer. Cruz was also studying marksmanship in the Army Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps.

4. Troubling Instagram page 

Cruz's Instagram page is filled with disturbing posts of what appears to be himself showing off with weapons with his face covered, asking for advice on buying firearms, and making racist comments about Muslims.

5. Was a member of a white nationalist group and came to training exercises

Jordan Jereb claims that Cruz was a member of the Republic of Florida, which aims to make Florida its own white-entho state. Jereb claimed Cruz, who was adopted, was brought up in the organization by another member and he reportedly carpooled to at least two training exercises held by the group.

6. Boasted about hurting animals

Students who say they knew Cruz claimed he liked to kill animals.

'He was crazy because he liked to kill small things, like little animals - frogs and other animals like that and he just had a crazy mind,' one told 10ABC news. 

Another classmate claims he would tell him he shot rats with a BB gun. 

7. Took knives and bullets to school

Former classmate Joshua Charo, 16, said all he 'would talk about is guns, knives and hunting'. 

Another student said he started selling knives out of a lunchbox when he started high school, while he was also found to be carrying bullet casings in his bag.

8. Was banned from carrying a backpack

Jim Gard, a math teacher, who had Cruz in his class last year, said he believes the school sent out an email warning teachers he shouldn't be allowed on campus with a backpack.

'There were problems with him last year threatening students and I guess he was asked to leave campus'. 

9. Expelled for fighting

The deeply troubled 'loner' was expelled last year for 'fighting over his ex-girlfriend' with her new boyfriend.

10. Abusive to his ex-girlfriend

Students claim the gunman was abusive to his girlfriend 

11. Stalked another girl

Mr Gard also claimed that he was taken with another student 'to the point of stalking her', while another student who claims to have been friends with Cruz said he had to cut him off because he started 'going after' and 'threatening' a female friend of his. 

12. Peeping Tom

Neighbor Christine Rosburgh said she, and all the other neighbors, were terrified of the teen who would bang his head against a cement wall if his legal guardians tried to send him to school.

She also claims she caught him peeking in her window and when she confronted him, he said he was looking for golf balls.

'I said, "This isn't the golf course". 

13. Stopped his mental health treatment

Cruz had been getting treatment at a mental health clinic, but stopped about a year ago and dropped off the radar. He was showing signs of depression. 

Broward County Mayor Beam Furr said: 'It wasn't like there wasn't concern for him. We try to keep out eyes out on those kids who aren't connected... In this case, we didn't find a way to connect with this kid.' 

14. Possible fetal alcohol syndrome

Natalie Brassard, a program director at the non-profit FASCETS, which works with FASD children, said some of Cruz's characteristics 'suggest that he might have been living with an invisible brain-based condition - it could have been FASD or many others.'

Conditions of FASD can range from mild to severe but can include learning disabilities, intellectual disability or low IQ, poor reasoning and judgment and a host of other issues. 

15. Orphaned 

Cruz's adoptive mother, Lynda Cruz, 68, died of pneumonia in November last year. She was one of the only people that was remotely close to Cruz. His adoptive father Roger Cruz died of a heart attack several years ago. 

After his mother died, he and his brother were left in the care of family friend Barbara Kumbatovich, of Long Island, New York. 

He is believed to have lived for a few weeks at the Lantana Cascade mobile-home neighborhood with a different family friend before moving in with a former classmate's family in Parkland around Thanksgiving.  

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5398625/Demon-voices-school-gunman-attack-cops-called-39-times.html#ixzz57IgyPB4B 
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[The Nature Boy 7,659]

You dont need  guns. The govt will protect you.

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4 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

You dont need  guns. The govt will protect you.

Obama is no longer here for us.

[Crazy Cat 42,293]

5 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

You dont need  guns. The govt will protect you.

We protect our presidents with........guns.

We protect our money with........guns

We protect our country with.....guns

We protect our children  with ..........a sign that says "gun free zone"........smh

[Póg mo 1,749]

Who is supposed to be paying for these so called school cops? Perhaps a tax on bullets or something?

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3 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Who is supposed to be paying for these so called school cops? Perhaps a tax on bullets or something?

There was a school safety bill, some Party blocked it....