Trump wants to cut back on food stamps for the poor and substitute with packaged food deliveries

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22 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

The USDA has studied this... and they do buy fresh meat, milk, and produce. Yes many still do make unhealthy choices. This plan would eliminate any healthy choices at all.

 

Want me to show you the government study?

 

Previously some conservatives had wanted to change the program to healthy items only, eliminating any and all ways of buying junk food and saving quite a lot of government money in the process.

I dont need no stinking fraud govt study thats used to bolster their own existence. I got of over 50 years of living in the middle of it. So much fraud and abuse, and most are quite open about it

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3 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I dont need no stinking fraud govt study thats used to bolster their own existence. I got of over 50 years of living in the middle of it. So much fraud and abuse, and most are quite open about it

Right. Got it. Good statistical proof is really hard to read on an iphone sometimes.

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2 hours ago, cyberfx1024 said:

It doesn't happen in NC either for either one of those but it does happen in CA. When my mother came out to Pasadena last year when we lived there she was amazed by that and how many fast food places openly advocate for EBT holders to come there. They have signs saying "EBT accepted here" on the outside of the place. 

i'm pretty sure it depends on the state. in virginia you can't use ebt to purchase prepared food, no restaurants or drive thrus.

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43 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i'm pretty sure it depends on the state. in virginia you can't use ebt to purchase prepared food, no restaurants or drive thrus.

Yes, I believe the states administer the program individually.  Fraud aside, not really a big fan of this proposal.  

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Just now, Bill & Katya said:

Yes, I believe the states administer the program individually.  Fraud aside, not really a big fan of this proposal.  

fraud is going to happen regardless. if you can sell an ebt card, you can sell a box of government cheese.

i think it's a proposal that looks simple on the surface, but implementation will not be simple or pretty. and i do think walmart will have this totally snuffed out. my first thought is, there will need to be some way to file 'exemptions' for those with food allergies. and food allergies are at an all time high..what a mess. https://www.foodallergy.org/life-food-allergies/food-allergy-101/facts-and-statistics

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4 hours ago, smilesammich said:

i'm pretty sure it depends on the state. in virginia you can't use ebt to purchase prepared food, no restaurants or drive thrus.

I know it depends on the state and I said that in my post how my mother was surprised to see that fast food places were actively promoting that they take EBT. When in NC you can't use it to buy fast or hot food.

3 hours ago, smilesammich said:

 

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7 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Our taxes all collectively go toward something we won't use or don't like at some point you know? But if we're going to help people, I'd rather my tax dollars go to providing good and nutritious choices. A can of spam isn't it. Ultimately the more unhealthy people we have, we all end up paying for it again. I want less government in our lives and dictating our choices, not more.

 

 

Now see the leftie advocating for less government lol. Typical democrat at work just like how they are crying about the tax cut and other things that Trump will run up the debt ? Ehm have you seen the spending the dems put in the budget proposal: SPEND SPEND SPEND. They only care when its convenient. I read your post and just laugh. Dont pretend to do an unbiased pros and cons when you have a hidden agenda.

 

Anyone knows the high fraud and abuse of food stamps . Go on craigslist . 200 card for 100. 

If people need food they can go to a shelter and get it there. I think the government can invest in the existing food shelters and that way you can control what they eat. Scrap the plastic card OR strictly restrict it to food items that are healthy and wholesome or just filling. You want to know how I ate during college. Give me a break. A can of tuna and some tomato sauce plus pasta .  Couple bucks and you feed a few people with that and its filling and nutritious

 

 

Edited February 14, 2018 by mustang85635

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28 minutes ago, mustang85635 said:

Now see the leftie advocating for less government lol. Typical democrat at work just like how they are crying about the tax cut and other things that Trump will run up the debt ? Ehm have you seen the spending the dems put in the budget proposal: SPEND SPEND SPEND. They only care when its convenient. I read your post and just laugh. Dont pretend to do an unbiased pros and cons when you have a hidden agenda.

 

Anyone knows the high fraud and abuse of food stamps . Go on craigslist . 200 card for 100. 

If people need food they can go to a shelter and get it there. I think the government can invest in the existing food shelters and that way you can control what they eat. Scrap the plastic card OR strictly restrict it to food items that are healthy and wholesome or just filling. You want to know how I ate during college. Give me a break. A can of tuna and some tomato sauce plus pasta .  Couple bucks and you feed a few people with that and its filling and nutritious

 

 

Excuse me, but I am not a Democrat, nor am I a liberal. Not even close, and I have no hidden agenda. Kind of sad that you think of people in terms of agendas when they don't agree on subjects but whatever. I don't think most people on this forum has an agenda, they have ideas that may differ - and they discuss and argue about them, because this is a forum, and this is America.. and we all don't have to fit into little neat boxes and be robots. We aren't running for office here. I think most in CEHST have known me long enough (even when we may disagree on some subjects) to determine that I have ideas that can swing to both spectrums in some regards - but for myself I have strong libertarian views - that's going to be pretty different than most here.

 

If you had replied with less hostility and assumption you may have found that we agree on investment in food shelters and items that are healthy and wholesome (I think that's what I was saying in prior posts...).

 

 

Edited February 14, 2018 by yuna628

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23 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Excuse me, but I am not a Democrat, nor am I a liberal. Not even close, and I have no hidden agenda. Kind of sad that you think of people in terms of agendas when they don't agree on subjects but whatever. I don't think most people on this forum has an agenda, they have ideas that may differ - and they discuss and argue about them, because this is a forum, and this is America.. and we all don't have to fit into little neat boxes and be robots. We aren't running for office here. I think most in CEHST have known me long enough (even when we may disagree on some subjects) to determine that I have ideas that can swing to both spectrums in some regards - but for myself I have strong libertarian views - that's going to be pretty different than most here.

 

If you had replied with less hostility and assumption you may have found that we agree on investment in food shelters and items that are healthy and wholesome (I think that's what I was saying in prior posts...).

 

 

Point me to some of your posts that you dont consider far on the left I certainly havent seen any quite the opposite. 

Its no problem never said you couldnt hold those views BUT I didnt like this comment because it incinuated you would have an honest approach with legitimate pros and cons when its all just loaded with bias against anything Trump really .As far as I remember the highest increase of debt in US history was under obama so thats that . 

 

Dont know when dems have started to become so financially conservative.

 

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44 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Excuse me, but I am not a Democrat, nor am I a liberal. Not even close, and I have no hidden agenda. Kind of sad that you think of people in terms of agendas when they don't agree on subjects but whatever. I don't think most people on this forum has an agenda, they have ideas that may differ - and they discuss and argue about them, because this is a forum, and this is America.. and we all don't have to fit into little neat boxes and be robots. We aren't running for office here. I think most in CEHST have known me long enough (even when we may disagree on some subjects) to determine that I have ideas that can swing to both spectrums in some regards - but for myself I have strong libertarian views - that's going to be pretty different than most here.

 

If you had replied with less hostility and assumption you may have found that we agree on investment in food shelters and items that are healthy and wholesome (I think that's what I was saying in prior posts...).

 

 

Why do all you liberals want to be in the middle of the road.  Studies have shown most people don't want to admit, they are liberals because of the stigma attached. 

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13 minutes ago, mustang85635 said:

Point me to some of your posts that you dont consider far on the left I certainly havent seen any quite the opposite. 

Its no problem never said you couldnt hold those views BUT I didnt like this comment because it incinuated you would have an honest approach with legitimate pros and cons when its all just loaded with bias against anything Trump really .As far as I remember the highest increase of debt in US history was under obama so thats that . 

 

Dont know when dems have started to become so financially conservative.

 

Umm I said nothing in this thread about Trump. If you'd look at the start of the thread I actually thought this was a good idea, but it did have some cons, which I think we need to consider. I am about having the government out of our lives, and not expanding it vastly. This plan will likely do that. I do not like that it does not offer healthy options, and doesn't seem to work with non-profits, and other smart ways to eliminate food waste.

 

Do I enjoy that my tax dollars go to fund someone using their allotment to buy soda and other unhealthy items? Nope. Do I enjoy that my tax dollars may go to someone who decides to spend the dollars they are allotted on items that aren't smart choices? Nope. Do I enjoy that it may be used for fraud? Nope. (Heck I live in a dirt poor town... and see things go on daily!) But, I don't believe that the government has the right to control the choices we make in many regards. The USDA study that I mentioned earlier, actually tracks what people are using their allotments for. There are things like meat, dairy, and veg - but there is also a lot of junk food. One interesting point of the study actually showed that when using the allotment the person tended to buy brand name items that are a premium cost, rather than generic brand goods that are cheaper. If telling a person what they can consume is the goal of the current government to reduce fraud and find savings - then it would be better to address current regulation instead of creating a new huge regulatory framework, by further restricting what a person can do with the allotment in the first place and investing in non-profits... which many conservatives over the years have already suggested.

 

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Why do all you liberals want to be in the middle of the road.  Studies have shown most people don't want to admit, they are liberals because of the stigma attached. 

Because I'm not a liberal. Sorry if that bothers you, but I'm just not. I would have no problem with admitting I was one, if I was. You should try diving deeper into the libertarian party's viewpoints sometimes (and not the ones that say they are libertarian with an R next to their name). You seem to feel that to be critical of this President's ideas, positions, and morality that you must be a liberal. Does the subject of this thread have the start of a good idea? Sure. But that doesn't mean we don't look at things objectively and jump on the bandwagon. Not even Bill thought the idea was a good thing. What conservative publications I've read on the subject today, didn't even think it was a good thing either!

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11 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Awesome idea. Will end a lot of fraud

 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/13/white-house-proposes-delivering-food-boxes-instead-of-food-stamps.html

How much money per recipient are we talking about? And why does Trump think that the way to tackle an exploding deficit, is to go after the poor? Maybe Trump could stop taking so many trips to his country club?

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4 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

How much money per recipient are we talking about? And why does Trump think that the way to tackle an exploding deficit, is to go after the poor? Maybe Trump could stop taking so many trips to his country club?

Pays for his accomodation food etc all by himself. Its his property why would he have to give that up . The security follows the president. Thats part of the deal 

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11 hours ago, yuna628 said:

A can of spam isn't it.

Spam is the Official State Food of North Carolina.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Umm I said nothing in this thread about Trump. If you'd look at the start of the thread I actually thought this was a good idea, but it did have some cons, which I think we need to consider. I am about having the government out of our lives, and not expanding it vastly. This plan will likely do that. I do not like that it does not offer healthy options, and doesn't seem to work with non-profits, and other smart ways to eliminate food waste.

 

Do I enjoy that my tax dollars go to fund someone using their allotment to buy soda and other unhealthy items? Nope. Do I enjoy that my tax dollars may go to someone who decides to spend the dollars they are allotted on items that aren't smart choices? Nope. Do I enjoy that it may be used for fraud? Nope. (Heck I live in a dirt poor town... and see things go on daily!) But, I don't believe that the government has the right to control the choices we make in many regards. The USDA study that I mentioned earlier, actually tracks what people are using their allotments for. There are things like meat, dairy, and veg - but there is also a lot of junk food. One interesting point of the study actually showed that when using the allotment the person tended to buy brand name items that are a premium cost, rather than generic brand goods that are cheaper. If telling a person what they can consume is the goal of the current government to reduce fraud and find savings - then it would be better to address current regulation instead of creating a new huge regulatory framework, by further restricting what a person can do with the allotment in the first place and investing in non-profits... which many conservatives over the years have already suggested.

 

Because I'm not a liberal. Sorry if that bothers you, but I'm just not. I would have no problem with admitting I was one, if I was. You should try diving deeper into the libertarian party's viewpoints sometimes (and not the ones that say they are libertarian with an R next to their name). You seem to feel that to be critical of this President's ideas, positions, and morality that you must be a liberal. Does the subject of this thread have the start of a good idea? Sure. But that doesn't mean we don't look at things objectively and jump on the bandwagon. Not even Bill thought the idea was a good thing. What conservative publications I've read on the subject today, didn't even think it was a good thing either!

I would trust a usda study that attempts to justify its failed programs , about as much as I would a Monsanto study touting the health benifts of round up. 

 

I live in the real world in which I hear people talking regularly,  about baby momma selling food stamps.