Trump's "Public Charge" Immigration Plan

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/\is it goingg to effect removal of condition for conditional greencard holders???

[Illiria 980]

5 hours ago, England2Wisco said:

anyway... I don't intend to use services until I become a citizen. I've been flying home to the UK for some healthcare as it's free and a better service in my opinion. 

Er you do realize that technically you should be charged if you are not ordinarily a resident in the UK?

[England2Wisco 13]

42 minutes ago, Illiria said:

Er you do realize that technically you should be charged if you are not ordinarily a resident in the UK?

I do after today. 

[yuna628 9,676]

2 hours ago, AdnanS said:

Well, me and wife just decided to cancel our health insurance to be on the safe side until she becomes a citizen. Hoping this Removal of Condition is quickly apporved as its stuck in CSC.

Seeing that makes me sad. I hope that you have a backup plan of health insurance to get onto, as being fearful should not cause you to drop coverage based on a memo that we don't know will ever see the light of day. If there was something more to go on than just this memo, then yes perhaps. I would just urge caution for now. You are following the law, and that's what counts.

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Hi I just read an article on https://www.vox.com/2018/2/8/16993172/trump-regulation-immigrants-benefits-public-charge in which trump administration is changing what they consider in an immiggrant as a public charggge... It also include taking subsidized health care insurance and people who took it for more then 6 months are not eliggible for adjustment of status...

 

I just want to know if this draft is implemented would it effect my eligggibility to remove conditions on my ggreen card because me and my wife was not eligible for medicaid and my wife is dependent on me... As my income was above poverty level but we had to take subsidized health insurance through blue cross because monthly premium was around 1100 us dollars....please note i am already a ggreen card holder and never took any ggovt benefits for what i was not entitled,... let me know because i am applying for i-751 removal of conditions next month

[yuna628 9,676]

7 hours ago, hash said:

Hi I just read an article on https://www.vox.com/2018/2/8/16993172/trump-regulation-immigrants-benefits-public-charge in which trump administration is changing what they consider in an immiggrant as a public charggge... It also include taking subsidized health care insurance and people who took it for more then 6 months are not eliggible for adjustment of status...

 

I just want to know if this draft is implemented would it effect my eligggibility to remove conditions on my ggreen card because me and my wife was not eligible for medicaid and my wife is dependent on me... As my income was above poverty level but we had to take subsidized health insurance through blue cross because monthly premium was around 1100 us dollars....please note i am already a ggreen card holder and never took any ggovt benefits for what i was not entitled,... let me know because i am applying for i-751 removal of conditions next month

I've pondered for most of the evening how to best answer this question. I don't really enjoy any of the answers, because they really don't offer much comfort.

But... firstly, you need to carefully consider the wording of the article

 

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Immigrants wouldn’t be punished for anything they have already done as of this moment. They’d only be at risk for any services used after the regulation officially goes into effect — which would take several more months (and include a chance for the public to comment on the proposal).

This is also made clear in the draft memo if you actually get past the mumbo jumbo to read it.

 

However - keep the following in mind:

1) This is only a staff draft. This is not signed off on whatsoever.

2) The ACA is the law of the land, no matter what changes have been made to it. There is no repeal of the exchanges and no other changes made to how it should work, with the exception of next year regarding paying the penalty. Immigrants still remain eligible to use it, unless changes to the law were made. This draft, even if it were made policy, does not change the actual law. That, as the article describes makes something perfectly legal under the law, technically illegal by policy. Especially as there is some language that implies other factors could be considered, such as the USC spouse even using it too. Despite the wording, use of the exchanges is not being a public charge or even means tested benefit (it's a very silly concept to suggest... but that's where we are now).

3) It may never be signed off on - so we have no way to know if it will become policy or not. There's no effective answer here to guide you on it either way.

4) If we get any suggestion that it does or will become policy, start finding other insurance options immediately. Be prepared to make a transition to something else.

 

In short - don't panic for now. Be wary and keep up with following what's going on.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

On 2/9/2018 at 2:33 PM, ApplyingforN400 said:

ACA is not a service to be used or not used. 

ACA is a LAW, that encompasses all of the US healthcare system, if you have insurance through your job, that means your job if providing you insurance through ACA rules. If you dont have a job you have to get insurance or get fined, which another ACA rule. 

 

Trump did strike down the tax fine if you dont have insurance. 

 

But people, learn what ACA is. Even if you have insurance through private provider its still considered ACA because the private provider has to play by ACA rules. 

All of us here had to sign an affidavit of support,  seems like Trump is on the right path once again 

[yuna628 9,676]

46 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

All of us here had to sign an affidavit of support,  seems like Trump is on the right path once again 

NB: You do understand that immigrants and their USCs spouses and children use the state and federal exchanges, which are not means tested benefits, regardless of if they qualify for a subsidy or not. This policy would make the use of it as a means to revoke a green card or disqualify for one. There's little difference between a gold tier plan you can buy privately to one offered on the exchange. They cost the same and offer the same benefits, for example. They are certainly not being a public charge.

 

I'm all for making sure people aren't getting access to things they shouldn't. But this is one point that doesn't belong at all. We all signed an affidavit of support, and ensuring our spouses have health insurance is part of that imo... HOWEVER... that's what many USCs did for their spouses, got them legal coverage through the exchange. Perfectly legal to do. And for many that was the only way they could obtain coverage in some scenarios. Not sure what staffers at the DHS thought this was a good suggestion.

Edited February 11, 2018 by yuna628

[ApplyingforN400 126]

Yuna628, do not waste your breath on paper-logistic-materialistic people, throughout all this beauty we call life they have lost all compassion for the follow human being, they are so blinded by so much garbage in their lives, including racism for many, that if a human tried to take their sick kid to a doctor they want them detained and deported. 

 

The US is beautiful with so many beautiful helpful souls, but so many evil people also, blind to its beauty, I def do not respond to these people or let them into my life if I want to keep enjoying the great US experience. 

Edited February 11, 2018 by ApplyingforN400

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 minutes ago, ApplyingforN400 said:

Yuna628, do not waste your breath on paper-logistic-materialistic people, throughout all this beauty we call life they have lost all compassion for the follow human being, they are so blinded by so much garbage in their lives, including racism for many, that if a human tried to take their sick kid to a doctor they want them detained and deported. 

 

The US is beautiful with so many beautiful helpful souls, but so many evil people also, blind to its beauty, I def do not respond to these people or let them into my life if I want to keep enjoying the great US experience. 

Yuna likes wasting her breath in me. It's a tradition. 

Glad to know I am an evil racist because I don't believe in bringing people to this country,  for my hard earned tax dollars to support. 

 

 

 

 

[ApplyingforN400 126]

Lol I think you should worry about your tax dollar (1.5 trillion cut) that went to the rich, and the millions on millions for military Parade then some mother taking her child to the doctor on discounted health insurance. But I know I just opened a can of worms, I wont be replying again to worms, thats how I keep my peace. This is a free country, you are within your right to vote for anyone and anything. Take care.  

Edited February 11, 2018 by ApplyingforN400

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

6 minutes ago, ApplyingforN400 said:

Lol I think you should worry about your tax dollar (1.5 trillion cut) that went to the rich, and the millions on millions for military Parade then some mother taking her child to the doctor on discounted health insurance. But I know I just opened a can of worms, I wont be replying again to worms, thats how I keep my peace. This is a free country, you are within your right to vote for anyone and anything. Take care.  

Who said anything about health insurance.  I am talking about illegal aliens 

[ApplyingforN400 126]

Do you guys see what Im talking about with these people?

 

they are so racist against us immigrants that he came to REMOVAL OF CONDITIONS forum talking about a new health insurance memo that might affect us LEGAL IMMIGRANTS that are REMOVING CONDITIONS and he is talking about illegal aliens. 

 

We are all the same to these people. 

 

Ill repeat my advise again, do not engage these people ESPECIALLY online. Focus on the good and helpful people in the forum. Every negative comment should be just ignored. I wont be addressing him again.   

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

9 minutes ago, ApplyingforN400 said:

Do you guys see what Im talking about with these people?

 

they are so racist against us immigrants that he came to REMOVAL OF CONDITIONS forum talking about a new health insurance memo that might affect us LEGAL IMMIGRANTS that are REMOVING CONDITIONS and he is talking about illegal aliens. 

 

We are all the same to these people. 

 

Ill repeat my advise again, do not engage these people ESPECIALLY online. Focus on the good and helpful people in the forum. Every negative comment should be just ignored. I wont be addressing him again.   

Your not in a removal of conditions forum 

Dorothy I don't think we are in Kansas anymore 

 

Ps letting people keep more of their own money , is not costing me anything 

 

Ps I am married to a legal immigrant,  I have no problem with legal immigration.

Edited February 11, 2018 by Nature Boy Flair

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, ApplyingforN400 said:

Do you guys see what Im talking about with these people?

 

they are so racist against us immigrants that he came to REMOVAL OF CONDITIONS forum talking about a new health insurance memo that might affect us LEGAL IMMIGRANTS that are REMOVING CONDITIONS and he is talking about illegal aliens. 

 

We are all the same to these people. 

 

Ill repeat my advise again, do not engage these people ESPECIALLY online. Focus on the good and helpful people in the forum. Every negative comment should be just ignored. I wont be addressing him again.   

Probably ought to pull up your big boy panties and stop being racist against USC in the country you claim to love and wish to live in.

 

Oh, and check your address bar above... You are in the CEHST forum, not ROC.

 

Every single person in CEHST is either married to a legal immigrant, or a few may still be trying to bring their loved ones over.  Think on that fact.