DACA DELUSION: Kirsten Gillibrand Says ‘Chain Migration’ is a ‘RACIST SLUR’

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Just now, AshMarty said:

Haha.. because someone is a successful reality TV star doesn't mean they are meant to be the leader of a nation. If this was the way it was.. we should really start considering one of the Kardashians in the 2020 election. We could probably fill an entire cabinet with the family   Television is all about ratings... boring people won't make successful reality shows. 

at this point in history, i don't think it's even appropriate to joke about a kardashian president. it's all fun and games till it actually happens. we'll have all the kardashian supporters going on and on about how whoever doesn't support president kardashian is just a hater who is jealous. god help us all.

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

Nope, but the complete level of hatred that is shown by the MDL and their media allies seems disjointed now.  Really makes you think about how biased the media really is (we already know how biased the MDL is).

And they never can tell you why the country is doing bad. Under his leadership. 

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1 hour ago, smilesammich said:

i disliked many things that obama did as president, not sure i agree with your assessment of labels. maybe you're too sensitive to opposing opinions, take disagreement personally? i don't know.

 

so you think that people that don't like trump or his politics dislike him because he 'had the audacity to win'? that's just as absurd as saying the reason people disliked obama is because he 'had the audacity to win'. the dnc didn't need to start a 'campaign of hatred' against trump any more than the rnc needed to start a 'campaign of hatred' against obama..there are, for most people, specific reasons for disliking particular policies or politics. for example, i loathe pompous braggarts who tout racist and xenophobic ideologies while using their wealth to destroy people of lesser means..i can't stand a con artist or a bully. which obviously leads to my dislike of the trump brand and trump himself. trump's actions as president (his tweets, his e.o's, his attempts at policy) all go against my core values. of course i don't like him, and i haven't needed any input from the dnc to get to that conclusion.

At the same time the hatred of the media and democrats against the president is something we can not deny is unprecedented . Most of the media have turned into commentary, watch some CNN footage from a decade ago . Serious news broadcasting actually, now its nothing more then a joke .  Also think about all the comments they made during the election how trump is going to create chaos and tank the economy instantly . Hasnt happened in fact its as good as its ever been .  What he says is nothing new people elected him like that for the brass talk . And the way he speaks most americans speak at home thats what I found out especiall the ****hole comment resignated with a lot of people I know. Most people dont understand why only the very poor and uneducated come here with really no reason what so ever. Sometimes based on sheer luck of being drawn in a lottery. 

 

And I totally agree , I want more norwegians here then haitians . Have you ever been to Norway ? Well I have and I can tell you its fabulous . Everyone is very wealthy and educated and they have an amazing system of government with some of the lowest corruption in the world. So when more come here I would expect them to bring that kind of thinking and mentality over and create that kind of envoirement here. All norwegians speak english for example due to the TV shows ( mostly american) and school system that tells them if you dont learn english you wont succeed in this world . 

Of course we first have to make it possible for them to come here and admit that most norwegians wont be able to use chain migration to do that and also create a better country to start attracting those kind of people . 

In a global market with a globalised economy thats what its all about attract the smartest and brightest TOO . Lots of people already here that can and will work minimum wage jobs.

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, mustang85635 said:

At the same time the hatred of the media and democrats against the president is something we can not deny is unprecedented . Most of the media have turned into commentary, watch some CNN footage from a decade ago . Serious news broadcasting actually, now its nothing more then a joke .  Also think about all the comments they made during the election how trump is going to create chaos and tank the economy instantly . Hasnt happened in fact its as good as its ever been .  What he says is nothing new people elected him like that for the brass talk . And the way he speaks most americans speak at home thats what I found out especiall the ****hole comment resignated with a lot of people I know. Most people dont understand why only the very poor and uneducated come here with really no reason what so ever. Sometimes based on sheer luck of being drawn in a lottery. 

 

And I totally agree , I want more norwegians here then haitians . Have you ever been to Norway ? Well I have and I can tell you its fabulous . Everyone is very wealthy and educated and they have an amazing system of government with some of the lowest corruption in the world. So when more come here I would expect them to bring that kind of thinking and mentality over and create that kind of envoirement here. All norwegians speak english for example due to the TV shows ( mostly american) and school system that tells them if you dont learn english you wont succeed in this world . 

Of course we first have to make it possible for them to come here and admit that most norwegians wont be able to use chain migration to do that and also create a better country to start attracting those kind of people . 

In a global market with a globalised economy thats what its all about attract the smartest and brightest TOO . Lots of people already here that can and will work minimum wage jobs.

 

 

 

trump's presidency is unprecedented, makes sense that the hatred for trump is also unprecedented. people have opinions, who knew?!

 

keep your fingers crossed for all those norwegians Norwegians have expressed solidarity with Haiti and several African nations by saying they do not want to go to the US,

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8 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

trump's presidency is unprecedented, makes sense that the hatred for trump is also unprecedented. people have opinions, who knew?!

 

keep your fingers crossed for all those norwegians Norwegians have expressed solidarity with Haiti and several African nations by saying they do not want to go to the US,

So what Obamas presidency was unprecedented but there was no where near this kind of drama as there is with Trump . 

 

Hah I have read those articles , always interesting when they speak for all Norwegians . Its like in most places a small loud left wing minority saying they speak for all . Most norwegians dont want immigration from third world countries its a very racist place in fact . Hence there uber strict merit based immigration system . This article is quickly debunked my reality . Norway also closed down its borders and is very strict on so called “refugees” you know the millions of young military men that came into europe over the years . There primary goal was to go to sweden and germany . Not to norway . Although far richer then Sweden for example. There government is conservative and the society is too.

 

I am aware Norway is probably superior in every way BUT thats why I said create an envoirement that will make those people come here . Just like in life aim for the highest not the lowest

Edited February 7, 2018 by mustang85635

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4 minutes ago, mustang85635 said:

So what Obamas presidency was unprecedented but there was no where near this kind of drama as there is with Trump . 

 

Hah I have read those articles , always interesting when they speak for all Norwegians . Its like in most places a small loud left wing minority saying they speak for all . Most norwegians dont want immigration from third world countries its a very racist place in fact . Hence there uber strict merit based immigration system . This article is quickly debunked my reality . Norway also closed down its borders and is very strict on so called “refugees” you know the millions of young military men that came into europe over the years . There primary goal was to go to sweden and germany . Not to norway . Although far richer then Sweden for example. There government is conservative and the society is too.

 

I am aware Norway is probably superior in every way BUT thats why I said create an envoirement that will make those people come here . Just like in life aim for the highest not the lowest

i remember lots of obama drama. plenty.

 

i don't find generalizations that interesting. like, it wasn't that interesting when you stated:

"All norwegians speak english" & "Everyone is very wealthy and educated" 

 

so you have proof that the norweigians quoted in that article don't exist? proof this can be debunked?

 

i'm all for making the us like more like norway, let's duplicate their health system, their standards of parental paid leave, their low levels of gun violence..etcetc

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2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i remember lots of obama drama. plenty.

 

i don't find generalizations that interesting. like, it wasn't that interesting when you stated:

"All norwegians speak english" & "Everyone is very wealthy and educated" 

 

so you have proof that the norweigians quoted in that article don't exist? proof this can be debunked?

 

i'm all for making the us like more like norway, let's duplicate their health system, their standards of parental paid leave, their low levels of gun violence..etcetc

Yes MOST like 90 percent from my observation speak very good english . That is in there own country . Many hispanic people here in Arizona dont speak a word of english after decades of living here . Those are not facts or statistics its based on my everyday life having travelled to norway and living among a 50 percent hispanic community give or take . Have I ever met a european immigrant that does not speak english here ? ehm no ...

Now for you the acual proof that this is reality . 

Beautiful thing called English language proficiency index. As you can see Scandinavia ranks very very high and that is no suprise if you have been there even old people in mom and pop shops in the country side speak basic english . Then look at CA and SA .  Mostly LOW and VERY LOW.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EF_EPI_2016_World_map.jpg

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EF_English_Proficiency_Index

 

In fact everyone is very wealthy compared to US standards. Partially due to there amazing handling of the little oil reserves they have. Investing it for there own people to maintain an amazing pension system.

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSBREA0710U20140108

 

 

Now to conmect the dots here , yes the norwegian people and there culture is far superiror to that of a country like Venezuela . Look at the mess they are in with some if not the most oil reserves in the world . People starving and Maduro an extremist leftie grabbing all the power and also all the guns . Yes one of the very first things he did was take all the guns from private citizens . It makes sense if you want to establish yourself as a dictator and supress the people you dont want to be on an even playing field . 

 

The low crime rate is mainly because it is a very rich homogenous society. Not many people have to stand at the corner and sell drugs or participate in other low level petty crimes . That phenomenon was the same all over Scandinavia until very recently but thats a discussion for another time . 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, mustang85635 said:

And I totally agree , I want more norwegians here then haitians . Have you ever been to Norway ? Well I have and I can tell you its fabulous . Everyone is very wealthy and educated and they have an amazing system of government with some of the lowest corruption in the world. So when more come here I would expect them to bring that kind of thinking and mentality over and create that kind of envoirement here. All norwegians speak english for example due to the TV shows ( mostly american) and school system that tells them if you dont learn english you wont succeed in this world . 

Of course we first have to make it possible for them to come here and admit that most norwegians wont be able to use chain migration to do that and also create a better country to start attracting those kind of people . 

In a global market with a globalised economy thats what its all about attract the smartest and brightest TOO . Lots of people already here that can and will work minimum wage jobs.

A lot of Norwegians came to US while their country economically struggled. My wife is 12.5% Norwegian, according to 1910 Census, 1868 was the year her great great grandfather immigrated to Wisconsin. Heavy Scandinavian presence in WI and MN by the way. By then coming to US was their path to freedom and glory, they left an amazingly beautiful country behind.

 

I was in Bergen last summer. When you see the landscape, the first question that comes to mind is why in the world anyone would leave this place and move to Wisconsin. Then I talked to my wife's grandfather last Christmas about this, who is now in his mid 80s. He told the stories his grandparents told about the Swedish ruling in Norway, high unemployment, and poor living conditions that forced 100s of thousands of Norwegians to immigrate to United States end of 19th century. It was a huge migration, 1/3 of the country moved to US.

 

I do not think there is any economical reason for a Norwegian to come to US anymore. Their middle-class earns more, their education system is good, very good social benefits, more paid time off, more paid family leave, no need to mention the healthcare, average life expectancy is longer. United States needs to do a lot of things better to attract more Norwegians or somehow Norway needs to go back to its 19th century conditions. I looked at 2016 immigration statistics. Out of close to 1.2 million immigrants admitted last year only 362 were Norwegians. I think VJ website sees more daily traffic than that number, that's it. And most of these people are not here for merit-based immigration. 231 (out of 362) are immediate relative category and only 104 are EB-based.

 

Speaking of Haiti, overall 23584 Haitian immigrants came to US. Vast majority under immediate relative and family sponsored, but guess what, 169 Haitians are EB-based immigrants. Small number but more than what Norway sends.

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4 hours ago, smilesammich said:

last time i checked, there was nothing wrong with disliking a president. it's not like people's hatred of him just appeared out of thin air - some sort of phenomenon. trump thrives off his haters - he stokes his haters, the natural consequence is that people hate him. that's the thing with trump that i've noticed anyway - there aren't too many people that are undecided on how they feel about trump.

So you dislike Trump because of who he is , not what he has done as President.  Fairly typical of the MDL who told us we were Racist for 8 years,  becuse we did not like Obama's policies 

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1 minute ago, mustang85635 said:

Yes MOST like 90 percent from my observation speak very good english . That is in there own country . Many hispanic people here in Arizona dont speak a word of english after decades of living here . Those are not facts or statistics its based on my everyday life having travelled to norway and living among a 50 percent hispanic community give or take . Have I ever met a european immigrant that does not speak english here ? ehm no ...

Now for you the acual proof that this is reality . 

Beautiful thing called English language proficiency index. As you can see Scandinavia ranks very very high and that is no suprise if you have been there even old people in mom and pop shops in the country side speak basic english . Then look at CA and SA .  Mostly LOW and VERY LOW.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EF_EPI_2016_World_map.jpg

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EF_English_Proficiency_Index

 

In fact everyone is very wealthy compared to US standards. Partially due to there amazing handling of the little oil reserves they have. Investing it for there own people to maintain an amazing pension system.

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSBREA0710U20140108

 

 

Now to conmect the dots here , yes the norwegian people and there culture is far superiror to that of a country like Venezuela . Look at the mess they are in with some if not the most oil reserves in the world . People starving and Maduro an extremist leftie grabbing all the power and also all the guns . Yes one of the very first things he did was take all the guns from private citizens . It makes sense if you want to establish yourself as a dictator and supress the people you dont want to be on an even playing field . 

 

The low crime rate is mainly because it is a very rich homogenous society. Not many people have to stand at the corner and sell drugs or participate in other low level petty crimes . That phenomenon was the same all over Scandinavia until very recently but thats a discussion for another time . 

 

 

you were supposed to be looking for proof that the article i posted has been "debunked". no one is arguing that norway isn't an awesome place. we could argue the reasons why it's an awesome place but that's for another thread. someone may come along and talk about the cost of living in norway, or how high their taxes are but personally i'm of the mind you get what you pay for.

 

as for venezuela and 'rich homogenous society' comments..i'm not having any sort of conversation with you or anyone else regarding the supposed 'superiority' of one culture/people above another, especially after the preface of 'homogenous'. 

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9 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

So you dislike Trump because of who he is , not what he has done as President.  Fairly typical of the MDL who told us we were Racist for 8 years,  becuse we did not like Obama's policies 

i'm extremely liberal - pro immigration - pro choice - pro social programs/safety nets, i'm against massive tax breaks for the rich and i don't for one second buy into trickle down economics. what on earth makes you think that i agree with trump's policies? i don't, at all.

 

so that would be a no, i dislike trump as a person and what he's done as president. especially what he's done as president.

Edited February 7, 2018 by smilesammich

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4 minutes ago, charmander said:

A lot of Norwegians came to US while their country economically struggled. My wife is 12.5% Norwegian, according to 1910 Census, 1868 was the year her great great grandfather immigrated to Wisconsin. Heavy Scandinavian presence in WI and MN by the way. By then coming to US was their path to freedom and glory, they left an amazingly beautiful country behind.

 

I was in Bergen last summer. When you see the landscape, the first question that comes to mind is why in the world anyone would leave this place and move to Wisconsin. Then I talked to my wife's grandfather last Christmas about this, who is now in his mid 80s. He told the stories his grandparents told about the Swedish ruling in Norway, high unemployment, and poor living conditions that forced 100s of thousands of Norwegians to immigrate to United States end of 19th century. It was a huge migration, 1/3 of the country moved to US.

 

I do not think there is any economical reason for a Norwegian to come to US anymore. Their middle-class earns more, their education system is good, very good social benefits, more paid time off, more paid family leave, no need to mention the healthcare, average life expectancy is longer. United States needs to do a lot of things better to attract more Norwegians or somehow Norway needs to go back to its 19th century conditions. I looked at 2016 immigration statistics. Out of close to 1.2 million immigrants admitted last year only 362 were Norwegians. I think VJ website sees more daily traffic than that number, that's it. And most of these people are not here for merit-based immigration. 231 (out of 362) are immediate relative category and only 104 are EB-based.

 

Speaking of Haiti, overall 23584 Haitian immigrants came to US. Vast majority under immediate relative and family sponsored, but guess what, 169 Haitians are EB-based immigrants. Small number but more than what Norway sends.

Interesting read you know the majority of european countries had a rough ride the last 60-70 years. I know that very well growing up in Germany. The economy has only really taken of in the beginning of the 2000s before that it was way different and well going back 30-40 years everyone knows what was going on there. But look where it is today 

I was referring to mostly what the situation is right now. Yes there were lots of germans and british and scandinavian immigrating here in fact the decedents of those immigrants founded this country and wrote its constitution. 

Also yes you have the official numbers of immigrants but the illegal population especially for Haitians is WAAAY more . 1/3 of El Salvador population lives in the USA. I am sure they did not come here through legal channels so most are not counted in to the statistics you are referring too .

 

And the comparison between Haiti and Norway coming here on EB-based visas. Look I dont care about them coming in here through merit I said that plenty of times but the reason there are a a little more from Haiti although its so marginal I mean what is a few hundred people lol is because Norway is far superior like you said .

 

Are we going to fix our healthcare system and have a single payer health care system with millions of people coming in from third world countries via chain migration over the next few years ? No absolutely not . You cant compare such a homogenous societies welfare system also taxed at about 50 percent on every dollar you make with a low tax country like the USA where you have so many new people coming in every year. You really have to pick or choose. You cant have one and the other

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7 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

you were supposed to be looking for proof that the article i posted has been "debunked". no one is arguing that norway isn't an awesome place. we could argue the reasons why it's an awesome place but that's for another thread. someone may come along and talk about the cost of living in norway, or how high their taxes are but personally i'm of the mind you get what you pay for.

 

as for venezuela and 'rich homogenous society' comments..i'm not having any sort of conversation with you or anyone else regarding the supposed 'superiority' of one culture/people above another, especially after the preface of 'homogenous'. 

Thats the problem the left has. They belief there is no such thing as one one place and one society being better then the other, when Its clearly the case.

And you kind of admitted that in your comments but thats ok. 

 

I dont want to debunk that article and I cant. I am sure there are left wing norwegians like yourself just like in any country that love to speak for the majority but just take a look at who is governing norway right now they got reelected last year and you know on what kind of platform they ran on, it was all about closing down the country in terms of immigration . Its a hot button issue in every country in europe right now and the ones that are on the left are loosing very badly because people have seen what unchecked immigration in the millions is doing to there countries .

 

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This country is not built or based upon which immigrants arriving to it come from countries that one person over another person finds 'vastly superior'. It is built on the ideal that all men are created equal, and that if given the same opportunity they can live out their dreams under the promise of freedom.

 

2 minutes ago, charmander said:

A lot of Norwegians came to US while their country economically struggled. My wife is 12.5% Norwegian, according to 1910 Census, 1868 was the year her great great grandfather immigrated to Wisconsin. Heavy Scandinavian presence in WI and MN by the way. By then coming to US was their path to freedom and glory, they left an amazingly beautiful country behind.

 

I was in Bergen last summer. When you see the landscape, the first question that comes to mind is why in the world anyone would leave this place and move to Wisconsin. Then I talked to my wife's grandfather last Christmas about this, who is now in his mid 80s. He told the stories his grandparents told about the Swedish ruling in Norway, high unemployment, and poor living conditions that forced 100s of thousands of Norwegians to immigrate to United States end of 19th century. It was a huge migration, 1/3 of the country moved to US.

 

I do not think there is any economical reason for a Norwegian to come to US anymore. Their middle-class earns more, their education system is good, very good social benefits, more paid time off, more paid family leave, no need to mention the healthcare, average life expectancy is longer. United States needs to do a lot of things better to attract more Norwegians or somehow Norway needs to go back to its 19th century conditions. I looked at 2016 immigration statistics. Out of close to 1.2 million immigrants admitted last year only 362 were Norwegians. I think VJ website sees more daily traffic than that number, that's it. And most of these people are not here for merit-based immigration. 231 (out of 362) are immediate relative category and only 104 are EB-based.

 

Speaking of Haiti, overall 23584 Haitian immigrants came to US. Vast majority under immediate relative and family sponsored, but guess what, 169 Haitians are EB-based immigrants. Small number but more than what Norway sends.

At one time yes a lot of Norwegians came to this country. And guess what? They were viewed as dirty, strange cultured, non-English speaking 'weirdos'... much the same as some view any other immigrant today. Common propaganda was that they were dirty, of low intelligence, and stank of fish. During the times when Norwegian immigration happened in large volume, their country was considered as pretty terrible. Poverty was rampant. The Homesteading Act in the late 1800s offered a promise of land to these immigrants, if they worked it for five years. I would also point out that integration was a huge issue for Norwegians in America, some 70% of them actually returned back to Norway. They had very low wages compared to other immigrants in the same time frame, and had lower levels of integration (even into the 2nd generation)... and because they were so isolated in their farm communities, they also retained their language longer than any other ethnic group.

 

A good friend of mine is Norwegian. He is a highly educated man and has no desire to come to the US, except to visit a family member who did immigrate here via marriage. He does speak English, though I have to tell you he can write it better than he speaks it (it takes very careful listening to understand him and sometimes he needs help for certain words). He is disgusted by the comments of POTUS and attitude towards immigrants from countries that are seemingly now viewed as a contest of ''who is less superior''.

 

If you look at various statistics regarding Haitian immigrants, you'll find that they have high values toward those being employed compared to others, are more educated, and are also in fields that are solid middle class to higher paying jobs. The vast majority, for instance of those who were TPS here were employed as teachers, doctors, nurses, and other important fields -- their children were in school (and doing very well compared to US students) or pursuing higher education and did speak English or were bi-lingual. There are some very excellent studies by CATO regarding immigration and the falsehoods being spewed about who is more or less superior...  and that's coming from the conservative side of the aisle.

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Just now, mustang85635 said:

Thats the problem the left has. They belief there is no such thing as one one place and one society being better then the other, when Its clearly the case.

And you kind of admitted that in your comments but thats ok. 

 

I dont want to debunk that article and I cant. I am sure there are left wing norwegians like yourself just like in any country that love to speak for the majority but just take a look at who is governing norway right now they got reelected last year and you know on what kind of platform they ran on, it was all about closing down the country in terms of immigration . Its a hot button issue in every country in europe right now and the ones that are on the left are loosing very badly because people have seen what unchecked immigration in the millions is doing to there countries .

 

there's a massive difference between saying standard of living and policies are superior and saying people are superior or societies where everyone is the same are superior.

 

i thought you wanted to debunk it cause that's what you said. doesn't matter to me.