DACA DELUSION: Kirsten Gillibrand Says ‘Chain Migration’ is a ‘RACIST SLUR’

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29 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

ah. such a familiar song.

 

I live in majority hispanic city . I see foreigners including myself in the mirror at work and throughout the day . No need to lecture me , you live in D.C. lol no wonder you are denying reality

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4 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

pretty sure you don't know the whole story about any of your 'i saw a foreigner and they were doing something i didn't like' anecdotes. i feel bad for you cause living in such a judgmental/bitter way has to be exhausting and detrimental to your mental health. 

did the judge tell you they were uncomfortable? did it occur to you that the judge might say such things at every citizenship ceremony they do?

the answers don't matter, you do you. 

Lol sorry but you are so far gone I cant even reason with you .

Yes its an example thats all. 

I dont care for the whole story what else do I need to know other then the fact she cant speak english like so many years here . It shows me no integration or assimilation has occured . 

It shocked me and confirmed me what I see in my daily life here so it doesent matter what you think .

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7 minutes ago, mustang85635 said:

I live in majority hispanic city . I see foreigners including myself in the mirror at work and throughout the day . No need to lecture me , you live in D.C. lol no wonder you are denying reality

lecture? lol. i don't live in dc. 

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9 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Qatar does the same thing for US passport holders without a residency visa.

I heard Brazil recently started e-visas for US passport holders too. $40.

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1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

I have seen this frequently. Mostly with young children trying to help their parents converse when they have limited English skills. This is one of the reasons why my husband's employer works with those kids to have ''English-learning'' family nights. We have to ask ourselves why that is. I've seen a few reasons, surprisingly not having much to do with a stubborn refusal to learn the language - but more to do with access and cost, social stigma, and embarrassment. As a whole Americans don't seem to want to learn other languages in a conversational way, nor do we provide a lot of resources or clear info in assisting those to learn English. I'm not saying of course that there aren't some that do have that stubborn refusal thing (I've seen that a lot in older generations), but even in those that are making an effort to learn, they still are vilified for not having a good grasp of it. I'd really love if that was one aspect of reforms to our system. Getting people to learn. Educating people on subjects of American life before they arrive. I think it would empower immigrants, especially immigrant women in quite a few situations.

 

From a certain standpoint I feel that having a solid grasp of the language should be a factor in continuing to remain here for some immigrants. But for some that will take time.

When I first got custody of my two older children when I lived in CA they had to go to 2 different schools due to their age for the first year. My daughter went to a good elementary school that is very diverse of all races and I loved it. While my son went to pretty bad elementary school that was not diverse at all, the make up of the school was like 50-60% Latino, 30-35%Black, and maybe just maybe 5% White if that. The school had so many Latino students that their parents could not speak English at all that doing meetings or performance when the administration spoke they would speak one paragraph in English and reiterate in Spanish for the Spanish speakers. While at my daughter's school that was more diverse and better performing the language was all in English. Don't even get me started on Parent involvement in the school because there was none at my son's school, while my daughter's school almost every parent was involved in some way or another. That school was great to say the least and they miss it, but they sure don't miss CA class sizes.

 

A lot of Americans just assume that you are picking up English from your environment and you shouldn't need help after xxx amount of time. Even my wife who can speak English fairly well has issues with some words and phrases(I had to teach her the English word for slug last night), but she can speak it enough to get her point across fairly well. We both think that people need to have a firmer grasp of English before they come here to immigrate, at least be able to speak in basic English to get a point across. I don't care if you have a accent or not just be able to get a point across.

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5 minutes ago, mustang85635 said:

Lol sorry but you are so far gone I cant even reason with you .

Yes its an example thats all. 

I dont care for the whole story what else do I need to know other then the fact she cant speak english like so many years here . It shows me no integration or assimilation has occured . 

It shocked me and confirmed me what I see in my daily life here so it doesent matter what you think .

so far gone? what are you reasoning exactly? an anecdote?

good thing no one cares if you think a particular individual has assimilated.

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11 minutes ago, charmander said:

That's fine though. Depending on the age and length of residency USCIS makes exceptions. That lady probably was not interviewed in English, she had an interpreter who translated everything for her. Depending on the age, you're also allowed to take a much easier civics test. Something allowed by law, and that lady took advantage of it.

 

I firmly agree with that law as well. I don't expect someone who is 60 or above to learn English when they are brought to the USA.

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7 minutes ago, charmander said:

That's fine though. Depending on the age and length of residency USCIS makes exceptions. That lady probably was not interviewed in English, she had an interpreter who translated everything for her. Depending on the age, you're also allowed to take a much easier civics test. Something allowed by law, and that lady took advantage of it.

 

Yes well law is one thing . It doesent matter I dont make the decision trust me I would have not passed any of those laws but It just goes to show how some people just dont care . It happens a lot here especially when there is so much appeasement and everything given to you. There are many parts of Tucson where you dont have to speak english at all. Why integrate why assimilate to the country that has given you such an amazing life compared to living in a hut in southern mexico. Just sad thats all 

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2 minutes ago, charmander said:

I heard Brazil recently started e-visas for US passport holders too. $40.

It was $20 back in 2010 and it's probably more now. I haven't been able to go back for a visit for a while it was mainly just flying through Doha on Qatar Airways.

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1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

so far gone? what are you reasoning exactly? an anecdote?

good thing no one cares if you think a particular individual has assimilated.

I dont think . I know . I see . I hear . Thats what people with common sense do . No way you are integrated if you dont speak english . 

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3 minutes ago, mustang85635 said:

Yes well law is one thing . It doesent matter I dont make the decision trust me I would have not passed any of those laws but It just goes to show how some people just dont care . It happens a lot here especially when there is so much appeasement and everything given to you. There are many parts of Tucson where you dont have to speak english at all. Why integrate why assimilate to the country that has given you such an amazing life compared to living in a hut in southern mexico. Just sad thats all 

There are parts of Los Angeles City and County like this as well. But the language can either be Spanish or Chinese. If you go to the San Gabriel Valley you better learn to speak alittle Chinese, while if you go to Boyle Heights you need to learn some Spanish. I have been to restaurants where we literally had to point to pick what food we wanted because everyone spoke Chinese that worked there and nobody spoke English.

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1 minute ago, mustang85635 said:

I dont think . I know . I see . I hear . Thats what people with common sense do . No way you are integrated if you dont speak english . 

 imo, there's no way you are integrated if you hold severe disdain for particular immigrants. 

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2 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I firmly agree with that law as well. I don't expect someone who is 60 or above to learn English when they are brought to the USA.

The requirement is on current age and length of residency. 50/20 or 55/15; 50 years + 20 years residency. Basically someone who immigrate to US at the age of 30, then live 20 years as LPR could qualify for the 50/20 exception.

 

Someone who came here age of 60, still needs to learn English and take the full civics test, if they want to naturalize before the age of 75.

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2 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

There are parts of Los Angeles City and County like this as well. But the language can either be Spanish or Chinese. If you go to the San Gabriel Valley you better learn to speak alittle Chinese, while if you go to Boyle Heights you need to learn some Spanish.

amazing. it's almost like you're describing america. 

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4 minutes ago, charmander said:

The requirement is on current age and length of residency. 50/20 or 55/15; 50 years + 20 years residency. Basically someone who immigrate to US at the age of 30, then live 20 years as LPR could qualify for the 50/20 exception.

 

Someone who came here age of 60, still needs to learn English and take the full civics test, if they want to naturalize before the age of 75.

Thanks for that info. My wife is going to naturalize this year and is worried about the language test in all honesty. The big thing she hates is trying to listen and talk to people that have accents hahaha. So us being in the South doesn't help things at all for her. We were watching the news last night and they were interviewing a guy and my asked me "How can talk like that, can you understand him?", in my mind he was talking normal for NC.

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