Edwin Jackson, Indianapolis Colts linebacker, was killed by an illegal immigrant, police say

[smilesammich 10,727]

4 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

It’s not a law.  It was an end run around Congress, something Obama did on his own, without any approval needed.  Thankfully, Trump is trying to set that mistake right.

considering you're getting your information on daca from cis - i'm not surprised you're conflicted. 

 

is this the memo you're referring to?

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/14_1120_memo_prosecutorial_discretion.pdf

Edited February 6, 2018 by smilesammich

[bcking 3,157]

The graph you posted said the source was ICE. When I go to ICE's website I get this data -

 

https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2016

 

Why the discrepancy? 

 

EDIT: Ah I think your graph contains just "interior removals" and this graph includes border removals. 

Edited February 6, 2018 by bcking

[charmander 692]

4 minutes ago, bcking said:

The graph you posted said the source was ICE. When I go to ICE's website I get this data -

 

https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2016

 

Why the discrepancy? 

 

EDIT: Ah I think your graph contains just "interior removals" and this graph includes border removals. 

Yes, on the same webpage check Fig.5. Of all interior removals, 92% are convicted criminals.

 

They also have FY17 numbers available. https://www.ice.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report/2017/iceEndOfYearFY2017.pdf

Fig 15 shows convicted criminals are now 83% of interior removals.

[bcking 3,157]

3 minutes ago, charmander said:

Yes, on the same webpage check Fig.5. Of all interior removals, 92% are convicted criminals.

 

They also have FY17 numbers available. https://www.ice.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report/2017/iceEndOfYearFY2017.pdf

Fig 15 shows convicted criminals are now 83% of interior removals.

It was my understanding that the whole point of Obama's "Memo" was exactly that. Instructing ICE to prioritize convicted criminals over non-criminals (Recognizing yes that all illegal immigrants are by definition criminals, but criminal beyond that since it is an identifying feature)

 

Seems like the memo worked, and it was a reasonable idea in my opinion.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, bcking said:

It was my understanding that the whole point of Obama's "Memo" was exactly that. Instructing ICE to prioritize convicted criminals over non-criminals (Recognizing yes that all illegal immigrants are by definition criminals, but criminal beyond that since it is an identifying feature)

 

Seems like the memo worked, and it was a reasonable idea in my opinion.

But it doesn’t work.  It allows us to deport criminals, which is a great thing.  But an illegal immigrant, who SHOULD be deported, gets to walk away free.  Why?  If they were arrested or detained for some reason, and they are here illegally, why not send them to ICE and let them be processed according to the law?  If an immigration judge decides they get deported, then so be it.  

As I said, the numbers are dropping.  Not because there are less illegals here, but because Obama tied our law enforcement’s hands when it comes to reporting illegals.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, smilesammich said:

considering you're getting your information on daca from cis - i'm not surprised you're conflicted. 

 

is this the memo you're referring to?

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/14_1120_memo_prosecutorial_discretion.pdf

No.  He did it in 2012.  I think it came in the last quarter, after DACA.

[bcking 3,157]

8 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

But it doesn’t work.  It allows us to deport criminals, which is a great thing.  But an illegal immigrant, who SHOULD be deported, gets to walk away free.  Why?  If they were arrested or detained for some reason, and they are here illegally, why not send them to ICE and let them be processed according to the law?  If an immigration judge decides they get deported, then so be it.  

As I said, the numbers are dropping.  Not because there are less illegals here, but because Obama tied our law enforcement’s hands when it comes to reporting illegals.

You haven't linked the memo you are referring to.

 

The one someone else linked to doesn't really tell ICE to stop anything. It just suggested creating a priority system to target criminals first.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

35 minutes ago, bcking said:

You haven't linked the memo you are referring to.

 

The one someone else linked to doesn't really tell ICE to stop anything. It just suggested creating a priority system to target criminals first.

 

Which results in stuff like this:

 

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/55-arrested-new-york-ice-operation-42-released-local-custody-without-immigration 

 

42 of 55 released after capture, even though they should have been detained, and possibly deported.  

 

 

Edited February 7, 2018 by IDWAF

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

13 hours ago, smilesammich said:

apology accepted. i had no idea you thought daca was an illegal law. 

Its not its an illegal executive order 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Police: Man tells undocumented immigrant to stop peeing at bus stop, gets stabbed in neck

 

http://wjla.com/news/crime/police-man-tells-undocumented-immigrant-to-stop-urinating-at-bus-stop-gets-stabbed-in-ne

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

llegal immigrant deported 44 times in 15 years tops feds’ list

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/6/illegal-immigrant-deported-44-times-15-years-tops-/

[Dashinka 24,778]

13 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Its not its an illegal executive order 

Don't forget, Obama's EO's were not subject to judicial review.

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Its not its an illegal executive order 

an illegal executive order?! gosh my golly - won't trump ever find a way to bring charges up against criminal mastermind obama?!

[Boiler 46,073]

3 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Don't forget, Obama's EO's were not subject to judicial review.

That would have been racist.

[charmander 692]

Another update on his 2017 arrest in Boone county: https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/07/us/edwin-jackson-colts-suspect-federal-charges/index.html

" Scott Rolston of Whitestown Police said the department generally would not communicate with ICE for a typical traffic stop."

 

I doubt they did a background check on him. Whatever fake ID he showed worked.