General State of the Union Thread

[Dashinka 24,888]

13 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

you mean the locker room talk that he questioned even being him? https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-access-hollywood-tape-fake

i haven't seen him labeled as the worst racist in history by anybody.

 

 

I believe I remember the Hitler analogy being thrown around.  You don't remember that?

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4 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I believe I remember the Hitler analogy being thrown around.  You don't remember that?

i've not seen a president in my lifetime escape the hitler analogy except maybe bill clinton. but i wasn't really into political opinion back then.

trump pretty much begged for the hitler analogy anyway - with his declaration that the neo nazi movement contains some 'pretty fine people'. like hell they do.

[Dashinka 24,888]

33 minutes ago, bcking said:

Honestly are you ignoring my posts when you quote them? I'm trying to bold things to make it clearer for you. You are completely avoiding my question.

 

First off - I've never compared him to Hitler, and would never do so. I've already admitted that many examples in the NYT list was hearsay, at best. I'm not looking for examples of "Good behavior" to outweigh "Bad Behavior".

 

I completely agree that this is a different time. Has Trump ever used that as the reasoning for the discrimination in the 70's? Has he ever apologized, or admitted that he actually did it but he regrets. Has he ever admitted that he has "changed" for the better. If we want to use that excuse for him, it needs to come from him instead of us using the excuses. To my knowledge he has only EVER denied wrongdoing in that case. He has claimed it wasn't discrimination and he has claimed the investigation was "unfair" to him and his father.

 

I'm just going to assume since you can't actually find examples where he has admitted wrong doing in the past or admitted mistakes that, as expected, he has never done so. I don't think it is reasonable to use that excuse ("It was a long time ago") if it hasn't ever come from him. To excuse something because it was in the past, it needs to come with the acknowledgement that the action was wrong in retrospect. I've never seen that from Trump.

Sometimes your replies are a bit wordy, but of course that is a personal preference.  I still don't really see your question.  Sure, in the 70's, Trump faced some discrimination suits like a lot of other landowners, and things had to change, and to the best of my knowledge they have.  Then we have the rehashed NYTimes Opinion piece where the author includes Muslims as being a race.  Btw, I can avoid questions with the best of them, but I am waiting for more than an opinion piece that proves Trump is a tried and true racist that some here believe have to be punched in the face.

 

 

Edited February 1, 2018 by Bill & Katya

[bcking 3,157]

6 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Sometimes your replies are a bit wordy, but of course that is a personal preference.  I still don't really see your question.  Sure, in the 70's, Trump faced some discrimination suits like a lot of other landowners, and things had to change, and to the best of my knowledge they have.  Then we have the rehashed NYTimes Opinion piece where the author includes Muslims as being a race.  Btw, I can avoid questions with the best of them, but I am waiting for more than an opinion piece that proves Trump is a tried and true racist that some here believe have to be punched in the face.

 

 

Apologies. Yes I know I can be wordy. I'll try to be very clear in my question. If you read nothing else here - Read and answer what is between the lines.

 

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Do you have any examples where Trump EVER admitted that he was wrong in the past, or that in "hindsight" he made a mistake and regrets it? Do you have ANY examples where he admits past mistakes and claims he has changed or realized it was wrong now?

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Lets use the Discriminatory Housing situation from the 70's. In the prior page you agreed with the findings. Your defense was that it was "a long time ago". If I understand you correctly that means you believe it was wrong to do so at the time, but it was 40+ years ago so Trump has changed.

 

That is a perfectly fine assessment, however my point is - Has Trump ever suggested as much?

 

I don't think it is a valid argument for other people to argue for Trump that he made a mistake in the past, but that it was a long time ago and he is different now. That may very well be true, but I'd like to hear it from him. I don't believe he has ever admitted that his (or his father's) actions in the 70's were discriminatory, and that in retrospect he regrets it, or that he has changed, etc...

Edited February 1, 2018 by bcking

[smilesammich 10,727]

people who support trump will never ever call trump's prioritized support of the white race racism, but will be first hollerin racist when obama supports blm. pretty much why this 'prove to me trump is racist' convo is doa.

Edited February 1, 2018 by smilesammich

[TBoneTX 46,282]

Don't let this interrupt the current dialogue, but here's a well-expressed take about the SOTU speech and some ideas about the Democrats' response during it:

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/01/31/a-speech-only-an-outsider-could-give/

[smilesammich 10,727]

4 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Don't let this interrupt the current dialogue, but here's a well-expressed take about the SOTU speech and some ideas about the Democrats' response during it:

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/01/31/a-speech-only-an-outsider-could-give/

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RUSH:  You think that’s what the problem was? You think the Depends were kind of creeping up the crevice there?  I thought it was maybe the adhesive for the dentures.

CALLER: (laughing)

RUSH: You think the Depends was kind of wadded up, huh?

well expressed huh, rush must be well medicated.

 

trump is what, six years younger than pelosi?

[yuna628 9,744]

13 hours ago, OriZ said:

Absolutely agree. That said, Obama did the exact same thing(and in return Republican members also did the exact same thing). 

Can't agree with you more. Funny that gets forgotten about eh?

3 hours ago, bcking said:

In the interest of transparency - Is that an actual picture of them at that point in the speech? I don't think so.

 

There actually is a picture of them in the room sitting and looking similarly morose. I think that is the picture that should be used, so as not to be misleading.

 

I missed this before. This is a topic I admittedly don't know much about. I found an interesting article though - https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/admitting-north-korean-refugees-to-the-united-states-obstacles-and-opportunities/

 

"of 73,293 refugees brought into the country in 2010, only 25 came from North Korea, whereas 18,016 came from Iraq, 16,693 from Burma, 12,363 from Bhutan, followed by Somalia (4,884), Cuba (4,818), Iran (3,543), Democratic Republic of Congo (3,174), Eritrea (2,570), Vietnam (873) and Ethiopia (668)."

 

I'm not that well versed in how the process works but I would love to know have a denominator for all of those numbers. 25 from North Korea, out of how many that specifically tried? As the article points out many go to South Korea, they gain citizenship status there. Many of those other countries (if not all) don't have a similar situation where there is an ethnically similar country that offers them citizenship and is safe for them.

 

As for Trump's travel ban -

 

Wasn't that on visitors from other countries? Did it apply to people seeking refugee status? Furthermore in this particular case the man is a citizenship of South Korea and is no longer a "North Korean National" (I'm assuming he has relinquished his citizenship of NK, probably when he obtained his citizenship of SK). So I'm also not sure the travel ban would have even applied to him.

 

 

It did, which only just got lowered on Monday, although with the extreme vetting stamp of approval only... whatever that means. The man represents the ideals that many immigrants do. To come to a place where they are free, safe, and happy and their tenacity to find freedom under horrendous danger to their lives. The three principles to life, liberty, and happiness. This administration flies in the face of that with their policies. So watching him use that man, as inspirational as he is, as a political prop seems inherently wrong to me.

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

Boy, you don't like Miller. 

Do some digging. I don't know a single person that does like him, no matter where you stand.

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

Considering that 43% of registered democrats liked the speech, they may have lost points by sitting there with a look of befuddlement on their faces.

The same look on Republican faces during Obama's SOTUs. To be fair though, there were many Republican faces that looked just as agitated at Trump's speech.

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

I really don't have an opinion.  Could be a great guy, could be a horrible guy.  Just pointing out an observation.  I really don't take my cues from the left wing media or Samantha Bee.

I don't take my cues from there either. But he is still a truly horrible guy.

9 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Don't let this interrupt the current dialogue, but here's a well-expressed take about the SOTU speech and some ideas about the Democrats' response during it:

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/01/31/a-speech-only-an-outsider-could-give/

Rush rarely expresses anything well, no offense. That is no exception.

[TBoneTX 46,282]

Here's an even better one, to read in full:

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/01/31/maybe-the-best-state-of-the-union-ever/

[Dashinka 24,888]

27 minutes ago, bcking said:

Apologies. Yes I know I can be wordy. I'll try to be very clear in my question. If you read nothing else here - Read and answer what is between the lines.

 

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Do you have any examples where Trump EVER admitted that he was wrong in the past, or that in "hindsight" he made a mistake and regrets it? Do you have ANY examples where he admits past mistakes and claims he has changed or realized it was wrong now?

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Lets use the Discriminatory Housing situation from the 70's. In the prior page you agreed with the findings. Your defense was that it was "a long time ago". If I understand you correctly that means you believe it was wrong to do so at the time, but it was 40+ years ago so Trump has changed.

 

That is a perfectly fine assessment, however my point is - Has Trump ever suggested as much?

 

I don't think it is a valid argument for other people to argue for Trump that he made a mistake in the past, but that it was a long time ago and he is different now. That may very well be true, but I'd like to hear it from him. I don't believe he has ever admitted that his (or his father's) actions in the 70's were discriminatory, and that in retrospect he regrets it, or that he has changed, etc...

I guess I do not have examples of him explicitly apologizing.  There is speculation that he does it this way to avoid the inevitable avalanche of apologies that well be necessary in the future.  Might be smart in a political sense (I know, Trump is dumb).  As to the housing issue from the 70's, do they (Trump Org.) still discriminate?  As to whatever Trump said, I suppose see my first sentence. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Pelosi is still kinda hot. Bet she was a looker in the day 

[Dashinka 24,888]

55 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Can't agree with you more. Funny that gets forgotten about eh?

It did, which only just got lowered on Monday, although with the extreme vetting stamp of approval only... whatever that means. The man represents the ideals that many immigrants do. To come to a place where they are free, safe, and happy and their tenacity to find freedom under horrendous danger to their lives. The three principles to life, liberty, and happiness. This administration flies in the face of that with their policies. So watching him use that man, as inspirational as he is, as a political prop seems inherently wrong to me.

Do some digging. I don't know a single person that does like him, no matter where you stand.

The same look on Republican faces during Obama's SOTUs. To be fair though, there were many Republican faces that looked just as agitated at Trump's speech.

I don't take my cues from there either. But he is still a truly horrible guy.

Rush rarely expresses anything well, no offense. That is no exception.

Do you know this guy personally?  I still reserve judgment of anyone until I get to know them. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Sowing the bitter seeds of discontentment is really all the Democratic party has left. Take away the minority base and they are history.

 

They can't attack him on policy , becuse the country is in better shape across the board and within every demographic. 

 

So what you got left is .Racist and Russian.  

 

Even one of our more TDS infected members admired it the other day

[bcking 3,157]

1 hour ago, TBoneTX said:

Don't let this interrupt the current dialogue, but here's a well-expressed take about the SOTU speech and some ideas about the Democrats' response during it:

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/01/31/a-speech-only-an-outsider-could-give/

I wouldn't say anything is "well-expressed" when within the first few lines they are joking about incontinence underwear.

 

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

I guess I do not have examples of him explicitly apologizing.  There is speculation that he does it this way to avoid the inevitable avalanche of apologies that well be necessary in the future.  Might be smart in a political sense (I know, Trump is dumb).  As to the housing issue from the 70's, do they (Trump Org.) still discriminate?  As to whatever Trump said, I suppose see my first sentence. 

I don't have many details about current Trump Org housing and whether or not they discriminate.

 

They likely discriminated in the past, and their President (at the time, and I mean president of Trump Organization. I'm not saying "their President" because he isn't my President...) has only ever denied that and claimed he was treated "unfairly". That doesn't sound like someone who expresses regret but has "changed" over the years. 

 

If I want to believe the "He's changed" argument, I need to hear him say he was wrong before, and now he is smarter/wiser/kinder/add positive adjective here.

 

1 hour ago, TBoneTX said:

Here's an even better one, to read in full:

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/01/31/maybe-the-best-state-of-the-union-ever/

At least he starts off a bit more mature in this one and not like a 12 year old giggling about something that involves underwear.

Edited February 1, 2018 by bcking

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Very Disrespectful': Parents of MS-13 Victim Slam Dems for Sitting Through SOTU Appearance

 

 

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/01/parents-ms-13-victim-slam-democrats-sitting-through-state-union