AP FACT CHECK: Trump's speech doesn't skimp on exaggerations

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

I never said Trump did not lie.  I was asking for a comparison of his level of lying compared with someone like Pelosi or Schumer, or McConnell for that matter.  Your assertion along with others is the Trump has taken political lying to a new level.  Where is your proof that he lies more then these others.  Where is your proof that his lying is more than any other career politican?

it's your question, my answering with the sheer volume of trump's lies means nothing to you. if you really want a comparison, you're going to have to either search the info out or fact check pelosi and schumer's tweets/public statements/ interviews.

my proof is fact checking any career politicians statements, something trump's followers literally have no desire to do..they'd rather quip with 'all politicians lie'  

[Dashinka 24,492]

Just now, smilesammich said:

it's your question, my answering with the sheer volume of trump's lies means nothing to you. if you really want a comparison, you're going to have to either search the info out or fact check pelosi and schumer's tweets/public statements/ interviews.

my proof is fact checking any career politicians statements, something trump's followers literally have no desire to do..they'd rather quip with 'all politicians lie'  

So where is the comparison to the sheer volume of lies from Pelosi and the others?  Seems like unhealthy hatred for a person to me.

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Weird that you could even compare Trump with those consummate lyers.

there are plenty of fact checking sites, coincidence that none of them are good enough for trump fans - even though a person can double check all citations themselves?? nah..

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3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I never said Trump did not lie.  I was asking for a comparison of his level of lying compared with someone like Pelosi or Schumer, or McConnell for that matter.  Your assertion along with others is the Trump has taken political lying to a new level.  Where is your proof that he lies more then these others.  Where is your proof that his lying is more than any other career politican?

It is always going to be hard to obtain accurate quantitative data to rank politicians in terms of lying. 

 

I guess you could try to pick a random month, and obtain every statement made by each of them, and then determine how many were lies, and then divided by the total number of statements. The study would have a lot of problems though (Defining a lie, what about two lies in one statement?, is all of a twitter account attributed to the person?).

 

Qualitatively, I'd say Trump lies more frequently. HOWEVER - That is in part because he has a greater frequency of making statements (twitter, interviews, speeches etc...). So even if the rate of lying is the same, the TOTAL number of lies are higher just because he says more in public. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Bill & Katya said:

So where is the comparison to the sheer volume of lies from Pelosi and the others?  Seems like unhealthy hatred for a person to me.

i don't think you consider this a good source, but if you really wanted an answer to your question...all citations are easily double checked.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/nancy-pelosi/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/charles-schumer/

Just now, bcking said:

It is always going to be hard to obtain accurate quantitative data to rank politicians in terms of lying. 

 

I guess you could try to pick a random month, and obtain every statement made by each of them, and then determine how many were lies, and then divided by the total number of statements. The study would have a lot of problems though (Defining a lie, what about two lies in one statement?, is all of a twitter account attributed to the person?).

 

Qualitatively, I'd say Trump lies more frequently. HOWEVER - That is in part because he has a greater frequency of making statements (twitter, interviews, speeches etc...). So even if the rate of lying is the same, the TOTAL number of lies are higher just because he says more in public. 

it's really a lot easier than you think. 

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Here is a start for Pelosi.  Google is your friend.

 

https://www.google.com/search?ei=mbJ0WrG2JuHVjwT7q4jgAw&q=nancy+pelosi+lies&oq=nancy+pelosi+lies&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i10i30k1.30231.32635.0.34366.2.2.0.0.0.0.111.186.1j1.2.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.183....0.O0LLwMC0d9k

[Boiler 45,484]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

Here is a start for Pelosi.  Google is your friend.

 

https://www.google.com/search?ei=mbJ0WrG2JuHVjwT7q4jgAw&q=nancy+pelosi+lies&oq=nancy+pelosi+lies&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i10i30k1.30231.32635.0.34366.2.2.0.0.0.0.111.186.1j1.2.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.183....0.O0LLwMC0d9k

About 1,430,000 results 

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

Here is a start for Pelosi.  Google is your friend.

 

https://www.google.com/search?ei=mbJ0WrG2JuHVjwT7q4jgAw&q=nancy+pelosi+lies&oq=nancy+pelosi+lies&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i10i30k1.30231.32635.0.34366.2.2.0.0.0.0.111.186.1j1.2.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.183....0.O0LLwMC0d9k

hey, you were the one asking. i know politfact is considered 'fake news' by many trump supporters..

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5 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Here is a start for Pelosi.  Google is your friend.

 

https://www.google.com/search?ei=mbJ0WrG2JuHVjwT7q4jgAw&q=nancy+pelosi+lies&oq=nancy+pelosi+lies&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i10i30k1.30231.32635.0.34366.2.2.0.0.0.0.111.186.1j1.2.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.183....0.O0LLwMC0d9k

The first thing that shows up on that search actually is this:

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/nancy-pelosi/

 

You can compare it to this:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

 

 

Here is a summary:

 

Trump: 69% Mostly False/False/Pants on Fire (n=514)

• True23 (4%)(23)
• Mostly True60 (12%)(60)
• Half True77 (15%)(77)
• Mostly False112 (22%)(112)
• False167 (32%)(167)
• Pants on Fire75 (15%)

 

Pelosi:  42% Mostly False/False/Pants on Fire (n=38)

• True6 (16%)(6)
• Mostly True4 (11%)(4)
• Half True12 (32%)(12)
• Mostly False6 (16%)(6)
• False7 (18%)(7)
• Pants on Fire3 (8%)

Edited February 2, 2018 by bcking

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

The first thing that shows up on that search actually is this:

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/nancy-pelosi/

 

You can compare it to this:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

 

 

Here is a summary:

 

Trump:

• True23 (4%)(23)
• Mostly True60 (12%)(60)
• Half True77 (15%)(77)
• Mostly False112 (22%)(112)
• False167 (32%)(167)
• Pants on Fire75 (15%)

 

Pelosi:

• True6 (16%)(6)
• Mostly True4 (11%)(4)
• Half True12 (32%)(12)
• Mostly False6 (16%)(6)
• False7 (18%)(7)
• Pants on Fire3 (8%)

I tend to skip over Politifact based on their obvious bias, but I guess everyone can claim that.  There are a lot more than that, but I guess Politifact pays Google to be first.

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

I tend to skip over Politifact based on their obvious bias, but I guess everyone can claim that.  There are a lot more than that, but I guess Politifact pays Google to be first.

called it. 

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Just now, Bill & Katya said:

I tend to skip over Politifact based on their obvious bias, but I guess everyone can claim that.  There are a lot more than that, but I guess Politifact pays Google to be first.

Ya I'm not saying it is the best source, I just thought it was funny that you provided the link to something (albeit likely biased) that I was actually asking for.

 

However - Politifact does highlight one of my earlier points. They have reviewed 514 claims from Trump, compared to only 38 from Pelosi. So even if the frequency of lying was the same, it would seem like far more from Trump due to the number of statements.

 

Even with the smaller numbers from Pelosi though, the difference (If you add up the 3 categories of "False") is statistically significant.

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2 minutes ago, bcking said:

Ya I'm not saying it is the best source, I just thought it was funny that you provided the link to something (albeit likely biased) that I was actually asking for.

 

However - Politifact does highlight one of my earlier points. They have reviewed 514 claims from Trump, compared to only 38 from Pelosi. So even if the frequency of lying was the same, it would seem like far more from Trump due to the number of statements.

 

Even with the smaller numbers from Pelosi though, the difference (If you add up the 3 categories of "False") is statistically significant.

I still do not understand this complete hatred for Trump.  Was it because he beat Hillary and derailed the leftist Obama train, is it because he actually asks Congress to do their jobs rather than make laws of his own (i.e. tax reform, immigration, etc.), is it because he is making the Dems look like fools and everybody doesn't expect that, is it because unlike most other career GOP politicians he actually fights back against negative press coverage?  

 

4 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

called it. 

Called what?

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

Called what?

your bias 

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3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I still do not understand this complete hatred for Trump.  Was it because he beat Hillary and derailed the leftist Obama train, is it because he actually asks Congress to do their jobs rather than make laws of his own (i.e. tax reform, immigration, etc.), is it because he is making the Dems look like fools and everybody doesn't expect that, is it because unlike most other career GOP politicians he actually fights back against negative press coverage?  

 

Called what?

Have you ever considered that some people dislike Trump for completely other reasons? Perhaps they dislike him because they believe he's a despicable human being. Perhaps they dislike him because they believe he is and always was a criminal. Perhaps they dislike him because they believe he is attempting to damage something very valuable in the fabric of America.

 

Namely all the things that many said about other Presidents depending on the particular side you stand on.