Latest update on DACA and deal for family migration proposed by Trump

[Beast7 88]

2 minutes ago, cyclone27 said:

The reality is the tax payer ends up covering the costs.

Not really.

There is no free medicated aid for new immigrants.

And free medicated aid is only available in some states.

[Gamboli 48]

5 minutes ago, cyclone27 said:

The reality is the tax payer ends up covering the costs.

How? If you sponsor someone you're technically giving the government assurance that those individuals don't become a public charge. If they do become a public charge then the government should go after the sponsors. This will make sponsors think twice before sponsoring anyone in the first place.

 

Requiring people to purchase insurance prior to the travel to the U.S. and maintaining it throughout their stay is another solution. 

Edited January 30, 2018 by Gamboli

[Gamboli 48]

6 minutes ago, Beast7 said:

Not really.

 Western parents bring a lot of their fortune here after immigrating and spend it here.

What do you mean by Western parents?

[PaoSelle 35]

As much as I think DACA is a good thing especially for those kids who were brought by their parents illegally at a very young age, I would much rather have the right to be able to bring my father to the US legally once I turn 21 and same with my wife’s parents when she naturalizes.

[PaoSelle 35]

I sure hope they do away with DACA instead of taking our right to petition our parents.

[Roel 7,192]

The best part of this funny conversation is the fact that no where in the proposed immigration act does it say that the parent category will be removed.

 

It actually states that it will just change - US citizen won't be able to sponsor parents for green card but instead parents will be allowed to have "temporary immigrant visas". To acquire those US sponsor will need to cover health insurance for parents and those parent won't be allowed to work. It's pretty simple and it's none of your business how those sponsors will pay for their parents health care. Keep an eye on your own wallets. Parents may have retirement pensions from their countries for example. 

 

People who are worried they won't be able to bring their parents need to chill. You will still be able to do that. What a ridiculous topic. 

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[csk2b1 44]

23 hours ago, Beast7 said:

Agree with you.

In ny opinion DACA, Lottery visa and sibling visa need to be eliminated,but other family migration expect siblings should continue.

An amazing thread...a mixture of emotions, opinions and heresay. Pitting one group against another; just like in real life..Citizens against Muslims, Siblings against DACA. Exactly what the Administration hoped would happen. Very dangerous...

 

Did anyone see the recent the White House spiel on chain migration - entire villages were relocating to the United States in 1 year? And the other one on the "fact" that virtually all terrorists currently on trail within United States territory are foreign born IMMIGRANTS? And they have the gumption to call out fake news in our media when they manipulate the truth. If you were to look into the details on the terrorist immigrants: all captured overseas and brought to US terrorists for trial. Yes I suppose they are immigrants as they had to be admitted to face trial and they are terrorists, or at least pursued as such.

 

Immigration for all of us is very emotional. That can be see everyday on this forum but don't let the emotions over rule rational thought. We all know someone going through a horrendous time with regards to DACA, AOS or some other form of immigration. 

 

Peace out....

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

5 hours ago, Gamboli said:

What do you mean by Western parents?

   White people

[AshMarty 360]

5 hours ago, Gamboli said:

How? If you sponsor someone you're technically giving the government assurance that those individuals don't become a public charge. If they do become a public charge then the government should go after the sponsors. This will make sponsors think twice before sponsoring anyone in the first place.

 

Requiring people to purchase insurance prior to the travel to the U.S. and maintaining it throughout their stay is another solution. 

I think this is one of the major issues... what is a Public Charge?

 

Per the Department of State what is considered a "public charge" :

 Food stamps

· Supplemental Security Income ("SSI")

· Medicaid

· Temporary Assistance for Needy Families ("TANF")

· State Child Health Insurance Program ("CHIP")

 

https://www.njimmigrationattorney.com/blog/2014/10/does-the-affidavit-of-support-require-me-to-pay-medical-and-hospital-bills.shtml

 

http://www.i-864.net/blog/do-i-864-sponsors-have-to-pay-medical-bills

 

Here are two websites that breakdown the gray area of the responsibility of the sponsor and the definition of what is considered a "public charge". 

 

Receiving medical care at a Hospital, as a hospital is not a government agency, in not considered becoming a Public Charge.

 

Here is the issue with the current system. People are assuming everyone that immigrates is being very responsible and looking into health insurance plans when they enter or shortly after they enter the country. Realistically the current system does not require anyone to have or seek health insurance. Our current Medical System will not turn away anyone (if you have for example a heart attack or stroke) and people will always receive treatments whether or not they have insurance. A medical bill provided from a hospital is a private contract for services rendered (you are not considered a public charge for receiving medical treatments without health insurance). The hospitals will get what they can out of you but then the government eats the remaining debt through taxes. This is also a problem with USC as well but if we are going to say its okay to bring parents then we should also set up regulations that are appropriate and not rely on a good faith system of "we hope immigrants understand US health care". 

 

I think we can all agree that this loop hole should be closed and their should be a requirement of proof of insurance and reasonable funds before immigrating here with someone that will not be working or through parental immigration. The current requirement of just above the poverty line is not sufficient proof that you have adequate funds to care for a parent. 

 

My father's transport to the hospital during his stroke was 80,000 dollars. He has insurance but they didn't get his information during the life threatening event, so my parents accidentally received the transport self pay bill to their house. Current financial requirements are not set up to ensure immigrants can pay bills like this. And my father was healthy and playing golf every day before his stroke. Health emergencies happen, they are unplanned, saying your parents are healthy now doesn't ensure they will be in a week. 

 

 

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[Crazy Cat 41,985]

10 hours ago, Beast7 said:

Not really.

There is no free medicated aid for new immigrants.

And free medicated aid is only available in some states.

Emergency care is guaranteed by law.

" The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) is a federal law that requires anyone coming to an emergency department to be stabilized and treated, regardless of their insurance status or ability to pay, but since its enactment in 1986 has remained an unfunded mandate. "

[Beast7 88]

5 hours ago, csk2b1 said:

An amazing thread...a mixture of emotions, opinions and heresay. Pitting one group against another; just like in real life..Citizens against Muslims, Siblings against DACA. Exactly what the Administration hoped would happen. Very dangerous...

 

Did anyone see the recent the White House spiel on chain migration - entire villages were relocating to the United States in 1 year? And the other one on the "fact" that virtually all terrorists currently on trail within United States territory are foreign born IMMIGRANTS? And they have the gumption to call out fake news in our media when they manipulate the truth. If you were to look into the details on the terrorist immigrants: all captured overseas and brought to US terrorists for trial. Yes I suppose they are immigrants as they had to be admitted to face trial and they are terrorists, or at least pursued as such.

 

Immigration for all of us is very emotional. That can be see everyday on this forum but don't let the emotions over rule rational thought. We all know someone going through a horrendous time with regards to DACA, AOS or some other form of immigration. 

 

Peace out....

Nice thoughts in the end...

[Orangesapples 1,954]

29 minutes ago, missileman said:

Emergency care is guaranteed by law.

" The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) is a federal law that requires anyone coming to an emergency department to be stabilized and treated, regardless of their insurance status or ability to pay, but since its enactment in 1986 has remained an unfunded mandate. "

Like it should be. You can't let people die. 

[Crazy Cat 41,985]

1 minute ago, Orangesapples said:

Like it should be. You can't let people die. 

Absolutely.

[Gamboli 48]

1 hour ago, missileman said:

Emergency care is guaranteed by law.

" The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) is a federal law that requires anyone coming to an emergency department to be stabilized and treated, regardless of their insurance status or ability to pay, but since its enactment in 1986 has remained an unfunded mandate. "

That is fine. But I think this could be addressed fairly easily to reduce some of the misuse. 

The creditor, in this case the healthcare provider still gets information such as your Social Security, etc at the time of admission. After the treatment they usually ask for your health insurance, etc. It could be included so that they could verify the patient identity, and send the bill to their address, if the bill is not paid after certain time, they could find the people who sponsor them like their children, etc. (The debt collectors in some case could even collect from family members if you can't pay, this shouldn't be any different)

 

I was under the impression that collection agencies can technically collect from immediate relatives of an individual in debt. I remember reading stories about how two siblings were harassed by creditors after their father passed away. (This story is not immigration-related)