One ruled a US citizen, the other not: gay couple's twins face unusual battle

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/23/gay-couple-twin-sons-citizenship-ruling-lgbt-discrimination

 

Interesting case.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Made my head spin. How can 2 men be on a birth certificate. That's insane 

 

Both guardians sure, maybe one gave sperm. I support gay rights but that is nuts 

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Yeah, that's why said interesting case. It reminds me of a lesbian couple, one gave birth to the kids and then she got terminally ill and died. The other one couldn't raise the children, because legally she wasn't their mother. That could have been prevented if the law had allowed the other mother the same rights. She wasn't on the birth certificate so didn't had any right at all.

 

I think that's why they put both parents on the certificate?  But it doesn't provide a solution for the fact that one of them isn't biologically connected.

 

I wonder if it had made a difference if the non biological father had adopted the kid. 

 

 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

Yeah, that's why said interesting case. It reminds me of a lesbian couple, one gave birth to the kids and then she got terminally ill and died. The other one couldn't raise the children, because legally she wasn't their mother. That could have been prevented if the law had allowed the other mother the same rights. She wasn't on the birth certificate so didn't had any right at all.

 

I think that's why they put both parents on the certificate?  But it doesn't provide a solution for the fact that one of them isn't biologically connected.

 

I wonder if it had made a difference if the non biological father had adopted the kid. 

 

 

The lesbian example , is said for the lesbians.  That is why gays need equal partnership rights. However I would think it's important to record both biological parents. 

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How would this have differed if they had not been gay? If say the Husband had a surrogate baby in Canada and was the Israeli?

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46 minutes ago, Boiler said:

How would this have differed if they had not been gay? If say the Husband had a surrogate baby in Canada and was the Israeli?

I don't think being gay has nothing to do with it. Its interesting because they kids are twins, although with different DNA and born in Canada.

If this was a straight couple who used a donor they probably would  have run into the same problems.

 

The statement about  " how are we gonna tell our baby later, that his brother can and he can't be president of the US" was funny though.

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3 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Made my head spin. How can 2 men be on a birth certificate. That's insane 

 

Both guardians sure, maybe one gave sperm. I support gay rights but that is nuts 

I was adopted, my biological parents are not on the birth certificate... so?

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2 hours ago, -Trinity- said:

I don't think being gay has nothing to do with it. Its interesting because they kids are twins, although with different DNA and born in Canada.

If this was a straight couple who used a donor they probably would  have run into the same problems.

 

The statement about  " how are we gonna tell our baby later, that his brother can and he can't be president of the US" was funny though.

 

  Current immigration law is that in order for the child to be a USC at birth, one biological parent must be a USC, or the surrogate mother who carries the baby to term must be a USC. Straight couples could definitely run into this issue, but I would imagine it affects same sex couples disproportionately. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

I was adopted, my biological parents are not on the birth certificate... so?

I did not know that was possible. Interesting.  Thanks for sharing that 

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4 hours ago, -Trinity- said:

I don't think being gay has nothing to do with it. Its interesting because they kids are twins, although with different DNA and born in Canada.

If this was a straight couple who used a donor they probably would  have run into the same problems.

 

The statement about  " how are we gonna tell our baby later, that his brother can and he can't be president of the US" was funny though.

I could be wrong, but I thought that you not only had to be a citizen, but also born on US soil to be the President?  If they were born in Canada, surely that means neither can be president. 

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7 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Current immigration law is that in order for the child to be a USC at birth, one biological parent must be a USC, or the surrogate mother who carries the baby to term must be a USC. Straight couples could definitely run into this issue, but I would imagine it affects same sex couples disproportionately. 

I can see where same sex couples run into certain legal problems whereas straight couples don't. 

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5 hours ago, dentsflogged said:

I could be wrong, but I thought that you not only had to be a citizen, but also born on US soil to be the President?  If they were born in Canada, surely that means neither can be president. 

Good point, I looked it up. Apparently that's a misunderstanding.

 

"The presidential birth requirements set forth in the U.S. Constitution require anyone elected to serve in the highest office in the land to be a "natural born citizen." Many people misinterpret that specific presidential birth requirement to mean that candidates must be born on U.S. soil. Even though that is not the case, voters have never elected a president who was not born in one of the 50 U.S. states."

 

https://www.thoughtco.com/presidents-not-born-in-the-us-3368103

 

 

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7 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I did not know that was possible. Interesting.  Thanks for sharing that 

 

6 hours ago, dentsflogged said:

I could be wrong, but I thought that you not only had to be a citizen, but also born on US soil to be the President?  If they were born in Canada, surely that means neither can be president. 

Untrue. John McCain was born overseas to American parents and was qualified to be  president.

 

 to be "a Natural Born Citizen" refers to your parents as well as where you were born.

Edited January 25, 2018 by Il Mango Dulce

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

37 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

Good point, I looked it up. Apparently that's a misunderstanding.

 

"The presidential birth requirements set forth in the U.S. Constitution require anyone elected to serve in the highest office in the land to be a "natural born citizen." Many people misinterpret that specific presidential birth requirement to mean that candidates must be born on U.S. soil. Even though that is not the case, voters have never elected a president who was not born in one of the 50 U.S. states."

 

https://www.thoughtco.com/presidents-not-born-in-the-us-3368103

 

 

...If you believe that really was Obama's birth certificate /s

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1 hour ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

 

Untrue. John McCain was born overseas to American parents and was qualified to be  president.

 

 to be "a Natural Born Citizen" refers to your parents as well as where you were born.

Technically I believe McCain was born on US Territory (Panama Canal Zone), but you are right, there is no provision for being born on US Soil.