What does this mean? Worried!!! [merged threads]

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

Just now, Jaquelly said:

So there's a gap before they can come over?

 

So if someone from Mexico petitions their sister, it takes 20 years. Then they bring their kids and then they apply for their other kids, so that's 30 years total?

Yes, but like I said it all varies by country. Some countries can take only a couple years while other countries like Mexico and the Philippines is roughly around 20 years right now.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 minutes ago, NuestraUnion said:

Want to share a story of two immigrants. This is real life scenarios as one of these stories is of an immigrant I currently work with.

 

Before I share the story I want to disclaim that I am NOT claiming support NOR claiming of being against immigration reform. I simply want to share my personal experience with it.

 

Immigrant 1 is an educated mechanical engineer here on a work visa. He is contracted by a large corporation. In order to be able to get a high-level job here, he had to be college educated as well as be proficient in English. He has been working in the US for 5 years. His contract with the large corporation, we will call DevilCorp, gets renewed every year. So, every year he has to wait anxiously to see if he has to go back to his home country if the DevilCorp decides they want to cut costs and terminate his contract along with others. Immigrant 1’s wife and daughter are here, but he currently has no way to petition for other family members like his parents or siblings. Not only that, at any point during his employment he is terminated, he only has like 90 days to pack up his family and return home.

 

Immigrant 2 is a young girl from {name any third world country}. She meets a US citizen, marries him, and immigrates to the US. Within 3 – 4 years she is a US citizen herself. She then immediately petitions for her parents. Her parents arrive a year later and they petition for the rest of their adult children which consist of a single daughter and a married brother with 2 kids. About 2 years later they all arrive.

 

Immigrant 1 has been here with his wife and daughter for 5 years and is still at risk of having to return to his country.

Immigrant 2 has been able to immigrate nearly all of her extended family in a little over the same amount of time Immigrant 1 has been here AND with her family having to go through little or no vetting of education, work experience, or even English language proficiency.

This is the point behind the drive of merit based immigration reform

 

 

P.S. Immigrant 1 is a coworker and friend of mine.

Immigrant 2 was a coworker of mine in my last job. We talked a lot because she is Filipino and my wife is Filipino(I also speak Tagalog). So that's how we got to talking about that sort of stuff.

[Jaquelly 1,647]

Thank you @NuestraUnion and @cyberfx1024 for helping me understand. 

 

I do agree that merit-based immigration is beneficial. I just wanted to understand how this worked before I got too worked up.

 

I appreciate your time, guys

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

Just now, Jaquelly said:

Thank you @NuestraUnion and @cyberfx1024 for helping me understand. 

I do agree that merit-based immigration is beneficial. I just wanted to understand how this worked before I got too worked up.

I appreciate your time, guys

Not a problem at all and it is good that you are educating yourself on the different categories of immigration before just running with something you heard. If you stay around VJ awhile you will learn more about it so don't worry.

[Ben&Zian 4,398]

Always is nice when when we can actually talk and have a conversation here on VJ without it turning into a scream fest. Like everyone seems to agree, immigration is good, it is just trying to keep it in check and making sure it is fair for everyone. Again, nothing will ever be perfect for everyone, it's about finding the most beneficial system for the country as  awhole.

Edited January 24, 2018 by Ben&Zian

[Unlockable 7,315]

9 minutes ago, Jaquelly said:

Thank you @NuestraUnion and @cyberfx1024 for helping me understand. 

 

I do agree that merit-based immigration is beneficial. I just wanted to understand how this worked before I got too worked up.

 

I appreciate your time, guys

Not a  problem.

 

I normally don't share personal information online (even if I omit names) but I felt it was a good story to share. When it happens to someone you actually know it kind of makes you step back to see the complete picture.

[Illiria 980]

28 minutes ago, Jaquelly said:

Please give me some insight. 

Saw on here that one person led to immigration of 60 people in 20 years.

 

spouse visa person a

parent visa person a parent

child visa person a parents children 

sibling visa person a parents siblings 

spouse visa person a parents siblings spouse

children visa person a parents siblings kid

spouse visa person a parents siblings kids spouse

child visa person a parents siblings kids kids

 

Im all for spouses and minor kids to be sponsored but those that tend to immigrate their extended family

dont usually come from well developed countries so the English skills and education level tend to be lacking which in turn puts a burden on services here. 

 

Actaully i would like to see the h1b improved so that it can’t be as abused as it is and then the spouses on the h4 be allowed to work as they tend to be as educated or nearly as their spouses. Make use of the good resources coming in, which will in turn increase opinion of immigrants. Not letting them work puts an undue burden on those on h1b.

Edited January 24, 2018 by Illiria

[Chris Duffy 1,257]

2 hours ago, missileman said:

" Both bills would end the diversity green card lottery and ban the entry of all legal immigrants sponsored by U.S. family members, except for spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens. The RAISE Act would also reduce the age at which U.S. citizens can sponsor minor children from 21 to 18 "

I love it

[Ben&Zian 4,398]

One big issue that has been allowed to happen also is people feel "entitled" to come here or be here. It's a privilege, not a right.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

25 minutes ago, Illiria said:

Saw on here that one person led to immigration of 60 people in 20 years.

 

spouse visa person a

parent visa person a parent

child visa person a parents children 

sibling visa person a parents siblings 

spouse visa person a parents siblings spouse

children visa person a parents siblings kid

spouse visa person a parents siblings kids spouse

child visa person a parents siblings kids kids

 

Im all for spouses and minor kids to be sponsored but those that tend to immigrate their extended family

dont usually come from well developed countries so the English skills and education level tend to be lacking which in turn puts a burden on services here. 

 

Actaully i would like to see the h1b improved so that it can’t be as abused as it is and then the spouses on the h4 be allowed to work as they tend to be as educated or nearly as their spouses. Make use of the good resources coming in, which will in turn increase opinion of immigrants. Not letting them work puts an undue burden on those on h1b.

If I remember that has been amended for them to work. I may be wrong but I think it has 

[Illiria 980]

Just now, cyberfx1024 said:

If I remember that has been amended for them to work. I may be wrong but I think it has 

That would be great, know one whose spouse has multiple degrees but couldn’t work so they are struggling financially and contemplating leaving which would be a great loss of knowledge and experience  

[Boiler 46,125]

The practicalities of sponsoring Parents, well older ones, always confused me, I know when the issue is raised tends to be a blank response.

[NYCruiser 423]

2 hours ago, TNJ17 said:

No, it won’t. The kinds of bills the republicans are pushing for on immigration will just make things worse for everybody. It may not cut our visa group out but it will definitely affect us all. There is nothing good about immigration coming out of the current white house administration. That you can be certain of. 

No President Trump is doing the right thing. There has to be a stop somewhere. There is massive immigration fraud in the US due to this situation. 

[Going through 5,671]

5 minutes ago, Boiler said:

The practicalities of sponsoring Parents, well older ones, always confused me, I know when the issue is raised tends to be a blank response.

I've commonly seen the response of "live out their golden years in the US" on here.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Beast7 said:

If this happen it will be a worst law passed in U.S history.

How can you stop anyone from sponsering his parents? Or child?

Let's have a dialogue about this. Why do you think that? Is this an emotional response or logical one? Because if the parent and child category of immigration were to be eliminated it will NOT have an impact to the US.

 

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It never happen in world 

This is where you are wrong. It is happening in other countries of the world TODAY. Australia, Canada, UK, Italy, etc.