What does this mean? Worried!!! [merged threads]

[Jaquelly 1,647]

I know that I will never be in the position to be effected by this, but my great grandmother and her entire family came on the boat from Hungary. They went through Ellis Island and went through the process to become American citizens because they wanted a chance at a better life. 

 

I cannot fathom, for the life of me, why people think that we should act like we're not a land of immigrants. 

Visa fraud is very real, and there are a lot of faults with our current system, but I do not like the attitude that so many people have about immigrants - especially on a website that is here for people going through processes like this. Come on. Have some tact.

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  On 1/24/2018 at 3:23 PM, Jaquelly said:

I know that I will never be in the position to be effected by this, but my great grandmother and her entire family came on the boat from Hungary. They went through Ellis Island and went through the process to become American citizens because they wanted a chance at a better life. 

 

I cannot fathom, for the life of me, why people think that we should act like we're not a land of immigrants. 

Visa fraud is very real, and there are a lot of faults with our current system, but I do not like the attitude that so many people have about immigrants - especially on a website that is here for people going through processes like this. Come on. Have some tact.

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I understand your point about America being built on immigration but your example of your grandparents was in a different time. 

[Jaquelly 1,647]

  On 1/24/2018 at 3:26 PM, NuestraUnion said:

I understand your point about America being built on immigration but your example of your grandparents was in a different time. 

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It was. It doesn't make it any less relevant. They came here because this is the land of opportunity. To sit here and say that people are glad that this process is ending is potentially hurtful to families who have prepared to join their children and have already started the process. I am not saying that you cannot have opinions, I just think that this could have been handled a little more delicately - especially since the person who posted is potentially directly in the line of fire. 

[Ischnura 285]

  On 1/24/2018 at 3:22 PM, cyberfx1024 said:

Well this and also what struck me is that they were not aware of some of the conditions of the 15 year old nephew to immigrate here like signing up for draft. They were taken back because they got a letter in mail about him signing up when he was 18 years old, but he was already back in the Philippines doing college there. So my coworker came to me with the questions they had about it(my coworker only had a girl thus no requirement to sign up). So they were astonished that he had to sign up for the draft.

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 Education is key, learn about where you're going. A lot of people, whole communities even, do things based purely on something someone told them one time cause they heard it from someone else so it must be true. Baffles the socks off of me why people wouldn't want to do their homework. My husband had the offer to take a job in Abu Dhabi, I researched everything and then we decided it wasn't the right place for our family. We'll do the same kind of thing for when the time comes we decide if we want our children growing up here or England. There's so much to consider when moving, I couldn't do it blind. 

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  On 1/24/2018 at 3:28 PM, Jaquelly said:

It was. It doesn't make it any less relevant. They came here because this is the land of opportunity. To sit here and say that people are glad that this process is ending is potentially hurtful to families who have prepared to join their children and have already started the process. I am not saying that you cannot have opinions, I just think that this could have been handled a little more delicately - especially since the person who posted is potentially directly in the line of fire. 

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But that’s the thing ‘prepared to join’, a lot of people have encouraged their children to only look for American (or British/Australian/Canadian) spouses with the expectation that they will then either send most or all of their pay packet back or that they will sponsor the rest of the family. 

 

Immigration is a privilege not a right, your family had the privilege of immigrating but they didn’t expect it as a right I would wager or pressure the young women in the family to basically hawk themselves to lure someone in to get them the visa. I really feel sorry for these people pressured into looking for overseas spouses by their family, the family guilt can be overwhelming for some.

Edited January 24, 2018 by Illiria
Damn autocorrect

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

  On 1/24/2018 at 3:30 PM, Ischnura said:

 Education is key, learn about where you're going. A lot of people, whole communities even, do things based purely on something someone told them one time cause they heard it from someone else so it must be true. Baffles the socks off of me why people wouldn't want to do their homework. My husband had the offer to take a job in Abu Dhabi, I researched everything and then we decided it wasn't the right place for our family. We'll do the same kind of thing for when the time comes we decide if we want our children growing up here or England. There's so much to consider when moving, I couldn't do it blind. 

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What made you choose to not live in the UAE with your family? I lived in Dubai and Doha, and working on trying to find a job where I can bring my family over to Qatar/Bahrain.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

  On 1/24/2018 at 3:28 PM, Jaquelly said:

It was. It doesn't make it any less relevant. They came here because this is the land of opportunity. To sit here and say that people are glad that this process is ending is potentially hurtful to families who have prepared to join their children and have already started the process. I am not saying that you cannot have opinions, I just think that this could have been handled a little more delicately - especially since the person who posted is potentially directly in the line of fire. 

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The problem with that is Republicans have been trying to do this delicately for decades now with no help/support from the Dems at all. So might as well go big or go home in regards to it.

[Ischnura 285]

  On 1/24/2018 at 3:32 PM, cyberfx1024 said:

What made you choose to not live in the UAE with your family? I lived in Dubai and Doha, and working on trying to find a job where I can bring my family over to Qatar/Bahrain.

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Ultimately it came down to things like we're due another child in the Summer, neither of us are super heat people - hubby is from ID - we have 2 dogs that it wouldn't be fair to fly so far, and it would have started before I'm eligible to apply for citizenship. What line of work are you in? 

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  On 1/24/2018 at 3:23 PM, Jaquelly said:

I know that I will never be in the position to be effected by this, but my great grandmother and her entire family came on the boat from Hungary. They went through Ellis Island and went through the process to become American citizens because they wanted a chance at a better life. 

 

I cannot fathom, for the life of me, why people think that we should act like we're not a land of immigrants. 

Visa fraud is very real, and there are a lot of faults with our current system, but I do not like the attitude that so many people have about immigrants - especially on a website that is here for people going through processes like this. Come on. Have some tact.

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No one here is anti-immigration.  However, some of us are in favor of reasonable immigration laws.  

[Ischnura 285]

  On 1/24/2018 at 3:28 PM, Jaquelly said:

It was. It doesn't make it any less relevant. They came here because this is the land of opportunity. To sit here and say that people are glad that this process is ending is potentially hurtful to families who have prepared to join their children and have already started the process. I am not saying that you cannot have opinions, I just think that this could have been handled a little more delicately - especially since the person who posted is potentially directly in the line of fire. 

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Nobody should prepare themselves to the point that they can't undo it and carry on with little impact. There's always the chance of being denied a visa for anyone. The 'land of opportunity' has to have laws too. I don't believe immigration isn't the kind of issue that should be sugar coated, people deserve to know where they stand either way not offered some coddled wording that would add to the confusion. 

[Jaquelly 1,647]

  On 1/24/2018 at 3:38 PM, missileman said:

No one here is anti-immigration.  However, some of us are in favor of reasonable immigration laws.  

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I am also in favor of reasonable immigration laws. 

 

I guess I need more perspective from those of you who know more about chain migration than I do.

 

Are there certain countries that abuse the system? What limits are acceptable? Like, if I marry my fiance, should his parents be allowed to come over legally? What about his brother, sister? Their kids? What is the limit? Again, I've got no intention to petition for any of them, but I want to be more educated about this topic - not just offended by the thought of restricting immigration. 

 

Please give me some insight. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

  On 1/24/2018 at 3:37 PM, Ischnura said:

Ultimately it came down to things like we're due another child in the Summer, neither of us are super heat people - hubby is from ID - we have 2 dogs that it wouldn't be fair to fly so far, and it would have started before I'm eligible to apply for citizenship. What line of work are you in? 

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All very good points of interest and things to look at before taking/declining a position. I am in the Telecommunications/IT field right now but I am work on the Federal side of the house. They have a ton of jobs overseas for people in my line of work so I thought it would be good to take the family and have my children experience new things.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

  On 1/24/2018 at 3:42 PM, Jaquelly said:

I am also in favor of reasonable immigration laws. 

I guess I need more perspective from those of you who know more about chain migration than I do.

Are there certain countries that abuse the system? What limits are acceptable? Like, if I marry my fiance, should his parents be allowed to come over legally? What about his brother, sister? Their kids? What is the limit? Again, I've got no intention to petition for any of them, but I want to be more educated about this topic - not just offended by the thought of restricting immigration. 

Please give me some insight. 

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Right now the only limit to chain migration is how many can you support because you have to do the support paperwork for them. The family migration(brother/sisters) varies by country in regard to how long it takes, and the 2 countries with the longest wait times right now are Mexico and the Philippines which are at roughly 20 years right now. So you can petition for your brother or sisters as a USC, and they can bring over any children under 21 or 18(I can't remember). They can then turn around and petition the older children that they have which is about 10 years right now.

[Jaquelly 1,647]

  On 1/24/2018 at 3:47 PM, cyberfx1024 said:

Right now the only limit to chain migration is how many can you support because you have to do the support paperwork for them. The family migration(brother/sisters) varies by country in regard to how long it takes, and the 2 countries with the longest wait times right now are Mexico and the Philippines which are at roughly 20 years right now. So you can petition for your brother or sisters as a USC, and they can bring over any children under 21 or 18(I can't remember). They can then turn around and petition the older children that they have which is about 10 years right now.

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So there's a gap before they can come over?

 

So if someone from Mexico petitions their sister, it takes 20 years. Then they bring their kids and then they apply for their other kids, so that's 30 years total?

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Want to share a story of two immigrants. This is real life scenarios as one of these stories is of an immigrant I currently work with.

 

Before I share the story I want to disclaim that I am NOT claiming support NOR claiming of being against immigration reform. I simply want to share my personal experience with it.

 

Immigrant 1 is an educated mechanical engineer here on a work visa. He is contracted by a large corporation. In order to be able to get a high-level job here, he had to be college educated as well as be proficient in English. He has been working in the US for 5 years. His contract with the large corporation, we will call DevilCorp, gets renewed every year. So, every year he has to wait anxiously to see if he has to go back to his home country if the DevilCorp decides they want to cut costs and terminate his contract along with others. Immigrant 1’s wife and daughter are here, but he currently has no way to petition for other family members like his parents or siblings. Not only that, at any point during his employment he is terminated, he only has like 90 days to pack up his family and return home.

 

Immigrant 2 is a young girl from {name any third world country}. She meets a US citizen, marries him, and immigrates to the US. Within 3 – 4 years she is a US citizen herself. She then immediately petitions for her parents. Her parents arrive a year later and they petition for the rest of their adult children which consist of a single daughter and a married brother with 2 kids. About 2 years later they all arrive.

 

Immigrant 1 has been here with his wife and daughter for 5 years and is still at risk of having to return to his country.

Immigrant 2 has been able to immigrate nearly all of her extended family in a little over the same amount of time Immigrant 1 has been here AND with her family having to go through little or no vetting of education, work experience, or even English language proficiency.

This is the point behind the drive of merit based immigration reform

 

 

P.S. Immigrant 1 is a coworker and friend of mine.

Edited January 24, 2018 by NuestraUnion