What does this mean? Worried!!! [merged threads]

[Ben&Zian 4,398]

Have to agree with Ishnura. If you choose to migrate to the US, whether through just say K-1/CR-1 visa, you have to choose whether it is what you want to do, not just because later you can bring your parents.. You are migrating to start a 'new life', not to forget the one you left behind, but not to bring it with you either. The US has been overly generous with migration, and that isn't up for debate; but change is needed.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

I actually heard about this while listening to a podcast of a radio show that is based in Los Angeles on KFI AM640 radio station. They were able to speak to the author of this bill and he went very in depth about the bill and what it means for Legal immigration purposes. I have attached the podcast below. It's only about 20 minutes long and it's a good listen for everyone. I am very much in favor of this BTW.

 

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/kfidigital/john-and-ken-on-demand/e/53003657

Edited January 24, 2018 by cyberfx1024

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

I actually heard about this while listening to a podcast of a radio show that is based in Los Angeles on KFI AM640 radio station. They were able to speak to the author of this bill and he went very in depth about the bill and what it means for Legal immigration purposes. I have attached the podcast below. It's only about 20 minutes long and it's a good listen for everyone. I am very much in favor of this BTW.

 

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/kfidigital/john-and-ken-on-demand/e/53003657

[Italian_in_NYC 259]

24 minutes ago, Beast7 said:

If this happen it will be a worst law passed in U.S history.

How can you stop anyone from sponsering his parents? Or child?

It never happen in world 

In Italy you can't sponsor parents, actually.

And Italy's immigration laws are lax, and I'm being kind.

Having said that, I'm sponsoring my mom, I spent over a thousand dollars in fees and actually already bought her an apartment in NYC, so I don't think they can retroactively cancel pending visa applications (she has her interview next week, so hopefully not affected).

I think this is their first offer, they will negotiate and meet in the middle.

we can all agree that the system needs some changes. I came to the US for work almost 20 years ago and I was extremely frustrated, so difficult to get a work visa even with my skills.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

54 minutes ago, TNJ17 said:

No, it won’t. The kinds of bills the republicans are pushing for on immigration will just make things worse for everybody. It may not cut our visa group out but it will definitely affect us all. There is nothing good about immigration coming out of the current white house administration. That you can be certain of. 

So tell me why is it a bad thing? I think it's a good thing in all honesty.

[Illiria 980]

15 minutes ago, Illiria said:

The vast majority of countries do not allow you to petition parents, siblings, or adult children. They assume that once you are an adult you can function without every adult in your family being there.

 

As has been mentioned immigration is a privilege not a right. 

Forgot to add that a lot of other countries consider you an adult at 18 as well so that is another thing, this will still permit the sponsoring of those whom other countries consider adults and fully capable of living on their own. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

46 minutes ago, Ben&Zian said:

Definately agreeing with NigeriaorBust. I know just on my time here on VJ I have read, and seen some of the things people plan to do and ask questions of how to circumvent the laws, and that is just on VJ. This is just a tiny tiny portion of the actual immigration that is done in this country. The amount of actual fraud has to be extremely high.  And couldn't agree more, one person can technically bring 5 people, then they each bring 2-3 more, and soon one person did turn into a small town. No law/bill passed will ever be perfect for everyone; but it was an overly large reason Trump is in the white house, he ran on immigration reform, and whether people like it or not, the average American of both parties knows it is needed.

I totally agree with you on this. The average American is fine with letting people come here LEGALLY and the DACA. But all this other nonsense they don't know about and if they do know about don't like it.

[CEE53147 559]

There have been proposals for long term visit visas for parents. 

 

People are angry that people have sponsored their parents and dumped them on SSI, Medicaid and other income based welfare programs. Many - on this forum even - have discussed not being honest about parents' income and assets from their home country so that parents can receive the "entitlements",  Blame the peoplel who have done these things and not Americans who are struggling to pay their own bills, and are angry that people who never have or will contribute to the US are being supported by tax money.

 

 

[Italian_in_NYC 259]

23 minutes ago, Going through said:

I agree with the Diversity Lottery ending---that should have been done away with long ago.

Agreed.

Always thought it was odd and unfair (but don't get me wrong, I always applied while I was here on H-1B).

I had a close friend back then, who was here on a work visa and REALLY wanted to stay here and live here (eventually, he got his gc through employment after MANY years of wait). His brother applied for the lottery just for fun, he won, got his gc, moved here and after a few months moved back to Italy (and surrendered his gc). Doesn't look like the best way to allocate immigrant visas to me.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

11 minutes ago, Ischnura said:

 Same reasoning, why would you want to bring over people who already have lives of their own? It's part of being a grown up, moving out and beginning your own life. Nobody needs to be joined at the hip of their immediate family. And marrying/moving here with the intent of eventually bringing over every man and his dog you're related to . . . well I'd be offended if I were the US citizen and that were expected of me before my spouse even had their feet under the table. 

I had a coworker at my last job who came here under the K1 visa in the early 80's got married and ultimately became a citizen. She filed for her mother and her 3 sisters to come here. Now they are in their mid to late 50's and 2 out of the 3 sisters got here within the last 5 years, and one of those sisters brought her 15 year old son here. The sisters are only able to become a CNA due to their education/experience and are basically live in janitorial staff for my coworker. This is the Philippines where the timeline for petitioning a relative is almost 20 years right now. So why should we let in someone in their late 50's to come here to live just because of their sister's petition. I can see if it's a mother/father or a fiancé/marriage visa but not family based.

[Ischnura 285]

4 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I had a coworker at my last job who came here under the K1 visa in the early 80's got married and ultimately became a citizen. She filed for her mother and her 3 sisters to come here. Now they are in their mid to late 50's and 2 out of the 3 sisters got here within the last 5 years, and one of those sisters brought her 15 year old son here. The sisters are only able to become a CNA due to their education/experience and are basically live in janitorial staff for my coworker. This is the Philippines where the timeline for petitioning a relative is almost 20 years right now. So why should we let in someone in their late 50's to come here to live just because of their sister's petition. I can see if it's a mother/father or a fiancé/marriage visa but not family based.

It's probably meant to be a deterrent, the mega long wait, but some people don't hear that they just hear an opportunity to come live some skewered idea of 'the American Dream' and that's the end goal. 

 

 I personally would rather my siblings grow up with my parents and other family, with their friends, their school, pretty much everything they know and value, rather than make them live in a limbo for a few decades and essentially have no life because they're waiting around to be told they can come here. Culturally there is a massive difference to England and the Philippines but thinking about the wait alone why would anybody, wherever they're from, want to leave a relative with the expectation that in 20+ years they might be able to uproot, pay a fortune and move somewhere they likely will never properly assimilate? Especially if that relative is going to be in their late 30's, 40's, 50's etc. It's a selfish hope at best and leaves next to no chance of leading a fulfilling life where they are. 

[geowrian 22,338]

40 minutes ago, Beast7 said:

If this happen it will be a worst law passed in U.S history.

How can you stop anyone from sponsering his parents? Or child?

It never happen in world 

As others stated, many western countries don't let you sponsor a parent, sibling, or adult son/daughter. To be honest, in the vast majority of cases, there is no need for a parent, sibling, or adult son/daughter to live in the same country. It might be to their benefit (or your own), but is it a "need" or "want"? In the vast majority of cases, I think this falls into the "want" side of things. It's easier if living in the same country, but not the end of the world living apart. They have their own lives already.

 

That said, I think there are many better solutions than this...this goes too far IMO. Treating a parent as an IR for immigration purposes opens up all kinds of chain migration options that I don't think was originally intended, and subsequently put a lot of stress on the system as a whole. Maybe parents should be a preference category instead, and have to wait for a visa to become available like most others.

[Ben&Zian 4,398]

2 minutes ago, Ischnura said:

It's probably meant to be a deterrent, the mega long wait, but some people don't hear that they just hear an opportunity to come live some skewered idea of 'the American Dream' and that's the end goal. 

 

 I personally would rather my siblings grow up with my parents and other family, with their friends, their school, pretty much everything they know and value, rather than make them live in a limbo for a few decades and essentially have no life because they're waiting around to be told they can come here. Culturally there is a massive difference to England and the Philippines but thinking about the wait alone why would anybody, wherever they're from, want to leave a relative with the expectation that in 20+ years they might be able to uproot, pay a fortune and move somewhere they likely will never properly assimilate? Especially if that relative is going to be in their late 30's, 40's, 50's etc. It's a selfish hope at best and leaves next to no chance of leading a fulfilling life where they are. 

 

The long wait time primarily is because of the amout of petitions honestly, the Philippines has a large immigrant population here in the US; but do agree, living in possible limbo for 10-20 years waiting seems like an awful time.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 minutes ago, Ischnura said:

It's probably meant to be a deterrent, the mega long wait, but some people don't hear that they just hear an opportunity to come live some skewered idea of 'the American Dream' and that's the end goal. 

 

 I personally would rather my siblings grow up with my parents and other family, with their friends, their school, pretty much everything they know and value, rather than make them live in a limbo for a few decades and essentially have no life because they're waiting around to be told they can come here. Culturally there is a massive difference to England and the Philippines but thinking about the wait alone why would anybody, wherever they're from, want to leave a relative with the expectation that in 20+ years they might be able to uproot, pay a fortune and move somewhere they likely will never properly assimilate? Especially if that relative is going to be in their late 30's, 40's, 50's etc. It's a selfish hope at best and leaves next to no chance of leading a fulfilling life where they are. 

Well this and also what struck me is that they were not aware of some of the conditions of the 15 year old nephew to immigrate here like signing up for draft. They were taken back because they got a letter in mail about him signing up when he was 18 years old, but he was already back in the Philippines doing college there. So my coworker came to me with the questions they had about it(my coworker only had a girl thus no requirement to sign up). So they were astonished that he had to sign up for the draft.

[Unlockable 7,315]

45 minutes ago, Beast7 said:

But stopping USC to sponser parents and child above 21 is a bad idea. 

Eliminating sibling category  is still fine

Don't agree with this.

 

America is a birds nest society. We tend to care for our children until the are about 18 - 21 then they go off on their own to... start college, join the military, work, move into their own place, or even get married and start their own family. 

 

Honestly, stopping the ability to bring over parents and adult children will not have any major impact to the US. Most other countries don't even allow this category of relatives to be immigrated and are doing fine.