ICE detains a Polish doctor and green-card holder who has lived in the U.S. for nearly 40 years

[Póg mo 1,749]

14 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Many of the other news stories, make it clear that ICE has not said, why he was detained. A few stories also mention he had a notice to appear, which he evidently did not do. Always more to the story 

http://www.wlwt.com/article/michigan-doctor-who-has-lived-in-us-for-decades-could-face-deportation/15844358   Common sense tells you ICE does not just knock on your door 20 years later with no warning, when you are in status.

 

it does however make a good "look what evil Trump did" to some poor doctor" story, if you don't get the whole story 

 

 

 

 

 

SNIp- A Michigan doctor who came to the U.S. from Poland as a young child was in jail Monday, nearly a week after immigration agents arrested him at his home.

It’s not clear why Lukasz Niec, 43, was taken into custody last Tuesday. Niec is a legal U.S. resident who works at Bronson Methodist Hospital in Kalamazoo.  Snip

 

 

So now you suddenly care about facts. If it was a story about someone buying lobster with their fat welfare check, somehow I don't believe you would be the one asking for more information to verify the story.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 minute ago, Póg mo said:

So now you suddenly care about facts. If it was a story about someone buying lobster with their fat welfare check, somehow I don't believe you would be the one asking for more information to verify the story.

so you got nothing huh?

[Crazy Cat 42,263]

1 minute ago, Póg mo said:

If it was a story about someone buying lobster with their fat welfare check, somehow I don't believe you would be the one asking for more information to verify the story.

Hypothetical assumptions paint a picture of the one making the assumptions.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 minutes ago, missileman said:

Hypothetical assumptions paint a picture of the one making the assumptions.

Being a student of human nature, being wrong makes people uncomfortable and a defense reaction is perfectly normal.  When the know they are wrong and have no logical retort, you usaly get something like, well yeah but what about lobsters. LOL  dosent make someone a bad person, its just human nature 

 

Being attacked for caring about facts is not a bad thing 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

15 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

except we dont know the actual reason yet he was detained. It appears possible he got a notice to appear and failed to appear. 

There are other examples of adoptees and young  immigrants getting deported even though the parents should have applied for citizenship.

 

Deportation a ‘Death Sentence’ to Adoptees After a Lifetime in the U.S.

Adam Crapser near his home in Seoul. He is one of at least half a dozen adoptees in South Korea who were deported from the United States because their adoptive parents failed to get them citizenship.JEAN CHUNG FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES

By CHOE SANG-HUN
July 2, 2017

SEOUL, South Korea — Phillip Clay was adopted at 8 into an American family in Philadelphia.

Twenty-nine years later, in 2012, after numerous arrests and a struggle with drug addiction, he was deported back to his birth country, South Korea. He could not speak the local language, did not know a single person and did not receive appropriate care for mental health problems, which included bipolar disorder and alcohol and substance abuse.

On May 21, Mr. Clay ended his life, jumping from the 14th floor of an apartment building north of Seoul. He was 42.

To advocates of the rights of international adoptees, the suicide was a wrenching reminder of a problem the United States urgently needed to address: adoptees from abroad who never obtained American citizenship. The Adoptee Rights Campaign, an advocacy group, estimates that 35,000 adult adoptees in the United States may lack citizenship, which was not granted automatically in the adoption process before 2000.

 

Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

Being a student of human nature, being wrong makes people uncomfortable and a defense reaction is perfectly normal.  When the know they are wrong and have no logical retort, you usaly get something like, well yeah but what about lobsters. LOL  dosent make someone a bad person, its just human nature 

 

Being attacked for caring about facts is not a bad thing 

...a student of human nature?

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

13 minutes ago, missileman said:

The thought that we who have immigrant spouses are anti-immigration is just beyond silly......

...and yet I see it here regularly.

[Crazy Cat 42,263]

2 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

...and yet I see it here regularly.

Regularly?  Examples?

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

6 minutes ago, missileman said:

Regularly?  Examples?

Stick around, I will point them out.

[Dashinka 24,786]

6 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Stick around, I will point them out.

Really?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

7 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Stick around, I will point them out.

so you got nothing . More lobster tales ?

[Boiler 46,086]

58 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

There are other examples of adoptees and young  immigrants getting deported even though the parents should have applied for citizenship.

 

Deportation a ‘Death Sentence’ to Adoptees After a Lifetime in the U.S.

Adam Crapser near his home in Seoul. He is one of at least half a dozen adoptees in South Korea who were deported from the United States because their adoptive parents failed to get them citizenship.JEAN CHUNG FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES

By CHOE SANG-HUN
July 2, 2017

SEOUL, South Korea — Phillip Clay was adopted at 8 into an American family in Philadelphia.

Twenty-nine years later, in 2012, after numerous arrests and a struggle with drug addiction, he was deported back to his birth country, South Korea. He could not speak the local language, did not know a single person and did not receive appropriate care for mental health problems, which included bipolar disorder and alcohol and substance abuse.

On May 21, Mr. Clay ended his life, jumping from the 14th floor of an apartment building north of Seoul. He was 42.

To advocates of the rights of international adoptees, the suicide was a wrenching reminder of a problem the United States urgently needed to address: adoptees from abroad who never obtained American citizenship. The Adoptee Rights Campaign, an advocacy group, estimates that 35,000 adult adoptees in the United States may lack citizenship, which was not granted automatically in the adoption process before 2000.

 

...a student of human nature?

Yet wandering in to the US when you do not know the language etc is fine.

 

Two faced or what

[Boiler 46,086]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Many of the other news stories, make it clear that ICE has not said, why he was detained. A few stories also mention he had a notice to appear, which he evidently did not do. Always more to the story 

http://www.wlwt.com/article/michigan-doctor-who-has-lived-in-us-for-decades-could-face-deportation/15844358   Common sense tells you ICE does not just knock on your door 20 years later with no warning, when you are in status.

 

it does however make a good "look what evil Trump did" to some poor doctor" story, if you don't get the whole story 

 

SNIp- A Michigan doctor who came to the U.S. from Poland as a young child was in jail Monday, nearly a week after immigration agents arrested him at his home.

It’s not clear why Lukasz Niec, 43, was taken into custody last Tuesday. Niec is a legal U.S. resident who works at Bronson Methodist Hospital in Kalamazoo.  Snip

 

 

Doe's make you wonder somebody with no ties to their home country, uric an through and through but has not Naturalised.

 

Bit odd

[yuna628 9,712]

Okay, we don't know why this individual was apprehended in some articles but WaPo does.

Things we do know: he is living here legally. However at some point in his youth he was either convicted or pled guilty to a minor charge, which I assume would be a deportable offense even if it was stupid as could be. From what I've read elsewhere it seems he managed to get such a charge expunged from his record due to state law in which he resides. However the feds don't recognize this state law. Still, it would seem to me that this offense in his youth wouldn't be the factor that made them nab him. In 2008 he had an impaired driving which was dismissed in some reports but in others I see it was removed from his record after honoring the terms of his probation, would this still count to the feds as well? I think the most serious thing is that he was charged and went to trial for DV in 2013. He was acquitted, but does the feds count this against you? I would imagine his previous DV was with his 1st wife, as he only just recently married the 2nd one. It makes me wonder..

 

According to WaPo - the reasons for his apprehension is due to his original charges when young. By all accounts they are so minor - at about $100 in destruction of property (the second charge was expunged from his record - but it too was about $100). So this begs the question, shouldn't there be bigger baddies out there to go harass and remove?

 

His sister who is a USC believes their mother may have become a citizen at some point, so there may be legal avenues they could pursue. He had thought about becoming a USC soon, but I wonder if that would have been possible given his prior history.

 

 

[yuna628 9,712]

6 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Doe's make you wonder somebody with no ties to their home country, uric an through and through but has not Naturalised.

 

Bit odd

An LPR isn't under any obligation to naturalize if they don't want to though. And as we know, there are a lot of stupid people out there that are ignorant of process. Am wondering if his priors would have been a stumbling block to that. But I'm not 100% up on what priors in his situation would mean when trying to apply for naturalize. Maybe he thought that would be an issue.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

13 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Yet wandering in to the US when you do not know the language etc is fine.

 

Two faced or what

This man was adopted...how did he wander?