“Clean” DACA bill and Legal Immigrants.

[Snorkel378 38]

First off, if this is in the wrong place, I apologize. But would anyone else be livid if a bill granting some sort of status to DACA came through with nothing for people who are waiting legally to go through AOS, K1, consular processing etc. To give them an immediate and free pass while having us keep waiting in line for interviews background checks and other scrutiny as we wait? Does anyone know if anything happened with people with pending processes in the amnesty in 1986? I wrote to all 3 of my congressman about it but I’m sure nothing will be done about it, but I just wanted to hear anyone else’s opinion about it, to see if I have a real concern or if I’m just a swear word for rear end.

Edited January 22, 2018 by Snorkel378

[TBoneTX 45,324]

Thread is moved from US Immigration News to the General Immigration Discussion forum.

[JDP91 118]

No, I would not.

 

I know several DACA recipients personally. They're wonderful, hard-working people and for most of them, the US is the only home they've ever known, having been brought over here at a median age of 6 years old. To maintain DACA status, they are required to jump through all kinds of hoops, maintain a clean record, get an education, etc etc. They are teachers, social workers, Ivy League graduates, spouses of US citizens, fathers, and mothers. They pay taxes and contribute to our economy. They're as American as you or I, and I believe their legal standing should be updated to reflect that. 

 

Yes, the processing wait is excessive and frustrating, but the blame for that does not fall on other prospective immigrants. Furthermore, many of the politicians currently yelling about the perils of illegal immigration are really opposed to all kinds of immigration, and would be happy to make the K1 process, and others, much harder for all. Xenophobia is not a good foundation for public policy. 

Edited January 22, 2018 by JDP91

[americanintrainin 20]

I would not be livid at all. I'm actually writing to my Congressmembers urging them to do it.

 

I've lived in this country for many years under various visas and now due to my parents, I get to apply for citizenship. I don't know my home country's language anymore since I've stayed in the US for so long. I'd be terrified if I was sent back to my "home."

 

Even if the DACA folks get a clean path to citizenship, which will not likely happen under this extremely anti-immigrant (and yes, anti-immigrant, not anti-"illegal"-immigrant), it would not apply to adults to came here illegally—just former children who were brought here no choice of their own and made this place home (i.e. people like me).

 

DREAMers getting a clean path to citizenship can only help those of us who have been waiting forever. A clean DACA would mean that they would start exploring how awful the legal immigrant path is and when those DREAMers become US citizens, vote, and run for office, I'm sure they will not forget how much of a cluster this whole process is.

 

P.S. If we truly believe in meritocracy, we need to get rid of birth-right citizenship, make everyone born to US citizens and on US soil be US nationals instead and make them apply for US citizenship under the same conditions as everyone else when they turn 16 or 18. Blows my mind that most Americans I meet don't even know their own state's governor or how often we elect senators and congressmembers.

Edited January 22, 2018 by americanintrainin
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[notantifun 196]

On 1/21/2018 at 11:19 PM, Snorkel378 said:

To give them an immediate and free pass while having us keep waiting in line for interviews background checks and other scrutiny as we wait? 

You seem very misinformed about DACA. Better read about it before playing the blame game. 

[Amhara 460]

I think allowing DACA individuals to stay is fine.  I don't know much about the program as it is now, but they should have a path to residency - the 5  year one.  I don't see what is stopping them from applying for legal residency for their parents once they obtain USC.  I do see a problem with them receiving governmental benefits, but I think the US needs legislation to deal with them - work permits work.  I think priority should be given to cases of traditional immigrant.  Right now, the CSC is inundated and ROC filers at the CSC can expect to wait about 14-16 months before their GC will be renewed, but the field sites don't want to give the I-551 stamp until less than 30 days remain on the ROC NOA.  That's not good.  VSC is working their cases about 12 months.  Thus, the only problem I have with DACA is how the petitions seem to be slowing down the service center processing times.

[TBoneTX 45,324]

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/421247-i-129f-delay-at-the-csc-a-comprehensive-analysis-of-the-data/

 

Thread (old -- don't contribute to it) describes initial delays in processing consequent to the DACA process.  Sadly, Photobucket now requires payment for third-party hosting, so the charts aren't visible; however, the essence of the matter is clear.

 

Edited January 24, 2018 by TBoneTX

[mustang85635 182]

On 1/21/2018 at 10:39 PM, JDP91 said:

No, I would not.

 

I know several DACA recipients personally. They're wonderful, hard-working people and for most of them, the US is the only home they've ever known, having been brought over here at a median age of 6 years old. To maintain DACA status, they are required to jump through all kinds of hoops, maintain a clean record, get an education, etc etc. They are teachers, social workers, Ivy League graduates, spouses of US citizens, fathers, and mothers. They pay taxes and contribute to our economy. They're as American as you or I, and I believe their legal standing should be updated to reflect that. 

 

Yes, the processing wait is excessive and frustrating, but the blame for that does not fall on other prospective immigrants. Furthermore, many of the politicians currently yelling about the perils of illegal immigration are really opposed to all kinds of immigration, and would be happy to make the K1 process, and others, much harder for all. Xenophobia is not a good foundation for public policy. 

Ok so lets say I go to china, brought there as a child illegally, do you seriously  think they would ever grant any kind of amnesty proposed for those people and give them citizenship, in the millions ? Why should any nation award the same kind of prize that everyone wants when you came here through legal means. No country just makes you a citizen like that and it shouldn't be the norm. 

 

I have met people on DACA and they are fast food workers and hotel cleaners too . I hate that the left always paints them as doctors, lawyers and ivy league graduates. Also most are old now and not kids anymore. 

 

I dont deny that there are those peoples but there are literally a handful of DACA who became doctors. Mostly for the fact that most medical schools in the country need you to be on a GC or USC once you start med school . There are articles about this online. Its a lie you can quickly debunk but never hear about in politifact or other fact check websites.

 

Also what I always find interesting and ask people that have the opinion like you is what are we going to do to prevent this from happening in the future? I mean if we give those DACA people citizenship now it will be on the news in all of central and south america and they will take it as if I bring my child over they will become a citizen one day and that will somehow give me an anchor to stay there. 

Then I always get the same answer usually, why would we want to prevent that ? It shows that in the core people like you dont see these people as some kind of mistake in the system and want reprieve for them because its a unique and special circumstance, it shows me an agenda that most people on the left have to allow any person into this country whoever they are and where they come from . Its not something unique to the left here but same in europe and other countries . Certainly not China though  

 

If there is any kind of amnesty there needs to be strong and tough border security measures. Its common sense if you feel sorry for those kids that had to live in limbo all there lives then you want to change that and make it very hard for other people to repeat this. If you dont then you have maybe a political agenda behind it but sense it doesn't make.