House Passes Bill To Avoid Government Shutdown

[Merrytooth 5,748]

10 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

Why aren't they falling all over themselves to duplicate our immigration system ?   I guess they are happy with theirs,
you would have to ask them. We are a unique country. 
I think with the issue of overstays it is as follows :  Trump manipulates and focuses on brown people to stir up his base, remember Mexicans are rapists and very
bad people with an occasional "good one" thrown in for good measure. !
I did not hear him say that about 'Norwegians' on overstays who he wants here. Blue eyed and blond haired aren't rapists I guess. Go figure.

I am against merit based immigration so for me that should not change.

Prestigious colleges ? Explain what exactly you mean by every Tom, #### and Harry ? You mean human beings who look different from you but have the same aspirations ?
Or is the third "other looking world" people barred from prestigious academic learning ? Ah.....you think they are all ignorant from S***holes ? I see. 

Many things change that is true and things shift, however some things stay the same. Some immigrants are still needed for jobs other than "prestige" careers.
At the same time, as I sourced an article before that African S***hole countries give us their most motivated to succeed that hold more and higher degrees than 
Americans ONCE HERE or already educated. So that every Tom, D and Harry ball won't roll with me.

 

The Media is the one playing up the illegals, using the brown people in their reports.

Why not blame them too? They played a part in manipulations too.

I guess you are the ONE seeing colors here..

 

When I said every Tom , ####### Harry applying  to prestigious college, I mean should the college IGNORE the grades (Good or lousy SAT scores, no cut off points at all) and just admit everyone????

Nowhere did I say the college should ONLY admit people based colors.

 

The colleges should admit the BEST, regardless where they come from.

Just like the merit-based immigration.

 

You seem to be the one jumping to conclusion here. So bitter huh??

 

 

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

you said turn pregnant women away at the border. what else could it mean.

Let me explain. I had someone ask me how they can come here from another country and give birth.
Some plan it when just a couple months pregnant on a B2. Maybe increased scrutiny when screening for a visa is needed. 
I am not a CO or policy maker, I let the experts handle that. There are other ways to handle it than ending the 14th.
When told it is not right to plan that and could cost them $50.000+ they had no clue.
 

[TBoneTX 46,119]

9 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

comment about poor and trashy people

Perhaps this means that such people were already in the U.S. (native-born?), and that other countries might not want to accept them as immigrants.

[TBoneTX 46,119]

Folks, it's OK to express strong opinions (within the ToS).  Please avoid sinking into personal attacks.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

4 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

Let me explain. I had someone ask me how they can come here from another country and give birth.
Some plan it when just a couple months pregnant on a B2. Maybe increased scrutiny when screening for a visa is needed. 
I am not a CO or policy maker, I let the experts handle that. There are other ways to handle it than ending the 14th.
When told it is not right to plan that and could cost them $50.000+ they had no clue.
 

Babies of  diplomats of foreign countries, who are born in the US, are not citizens. why do you think that is ?

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

2 minutes ago, Merrytooth said:

 

The Media is the one playing up the illegals, using the brown people in their reports.

Why not blame them too? They played a part in manipulations too.

I guess you are the ONE seeing colors here..

 

When I said every Tom , ####### Harry applying  to prestigious college, I mean should the college IGNORE the grades (Good or lousy SAT scores, no cut off points at all) and just admit everyone????

Nowhere did I say the college should ONLY admit people based colors.

 

The colleges should admit the BEST, regardless where they come from.

Just like the merit-based immigration.

 

You seem to be the one jumping to conclusion here. So bitter huh??

 

 

No, the media is repeating what Trump says. 
The media did not say all Mexicans are rapists, Trump did.
Media repeated it. His tweet-policy says so.
No, colleges should admit those who apply as always with the same criteria.
A college and a country are an extremely poor comparison.
Of course a college should admit the best regardless of where they come from.
The best for a country are not only academics and as I said totally not comparable.
On what did I jump to a conclusion ? I don't understand your reasoning.


 

[smilesammich 10,727]

7 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Babies of  diplomats of foreign countries, who are born in the US, are not citizens. why do you think that is ?

why do you think that is?

https://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/Print/PolicyManual-Volume7-PartO-Chapter3.html

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

11 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Perhaps this means that such people were already in the U.S. (native-born?), and that other countries might not want to accept them as immigrants.

This is what I responded to:

 

US already have tons of poor people and trashy people which 3rd world countries won't even want.

Don't need to keep bringing in more here.

I see it as "don't need to KEEP bringing in more here" that it was about immigrants from 'third world countries'.

12 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Folks, it's OK to express strong opinions (within the ToS).  Please avoid sinking into personal attacks.

I am taking a little break. Work is calling anyway. 

[Merrytooth 5,748]

11 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

I did not say you came for a better life.
I did not say a word about chain immigration. I am in favor of reasonable family unification.
Pardon me but this country is not going down to a 3rd world country.
I find your comment about poor and trashy 3 rd world people extremely offensive. You seem very bitter about something.
Perhaps it was your own expectations with rose colored glasses that lead to your disappointment.
By the way, no I was never involved in chain immigration.
 

 

My comment about poor trashy 3rd world people? ha ha ha...

I borrowed them from the Left, words they used to trash their own poor red state people. 

That's how they trash their very own poor red state people. The Left are pretty ok with it.

 

See this video here about LA downtown Skid Row? Have been circulating in some facebook pages for a while.

https://youtu.be/U1kqyAnPOpg

 

Even Africa Rwanda (the country with genocide many years ago) looks much much better than this.

 

Some US cities like Dallas, Albuquerque,  their shops need to have metal bars to prevent looting, theft, burglaries

Aging Amtrak trains that keep derailing, killing people?

First world country USA?

 

[cyclone27 710]

1. Border Security

2. Marriage/Children Based Visas

3. Merit based Visa System and eliminating the visa lottery.

4. Requirements for birth citizenship: 1 US Citizen parent

5.  Dreamers - give the LPR status with no path to citizenship. They shouldnt be blamed for their parents illegal actions nor should they be rewarded.

6. No AOS

 

A common sense plan for immigration - though sure the open boarder proponents will scream bloody murder.

 

 

[Merrytooth 5,748]

8 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

No, the media is repeating what Trump says. 
The media did not say all Mexicans are rapists, Trump did.
Media repeated it. His tweet-policy says so.
No, colleges should admit those who apply as always with the same criteria.
A college and a country are an extremely poor comparison.
Of course a college should admit the best regardless of where they come from.
The best for a country are not only academics and as I said totally not comparable.
On what did I jump to a conclusion ? I don't understand your reasoning.


 

 

For me, college and country are the same comparison. Both need to have standards/criteria in admitting people, again I emphasized here -> REGARDLESS of COLORS.

 

For those non-academics, non highly skills positions, USA already have temporary work visa like H2B.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

16 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

No, the media is repeating what Trump says. 
The media did not say all Mexicans are rapists, Trump did.
Media repeated it. His tweet-policy says so.
No, colleges should admit those who apply as always with the same criteria.
A college and a country are an extremely poor comparison.
Of course a college should admit the best regardless of where they come from.
The best for a country are not only academics and as I said totally not comparable.
On what did I jump to a conclusion ? I don't understand your reasoning.


 

thats not even close to true. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

6 minutes ago, cyclone27 said:

1. Border Security

2. Marriage/Children Based Visas

3. Merit based Visa System and eliminating the visa lottery.

4. Requirements for birth citizenship: 1 US Citizen parent

5.  Dreamers - give the LPR status with no path to citizenship. They shouldnt be blamed for their parents illegal actions nor should they be rewarded.

6. No AOS

 

A common sense plan for immigration - though sure the open boarder proponents will scream bloody murder.

 

 

Very common sense. In the future

I would add letting people that are here already stay, if they have no criminal record and will not be a burden to the Govt 

1. Draconian  penalties for companies that knowingly   hire illegals

2. No benefits of any kind for illegals , No food stamps,  No schools, 

3. Medical care only in life threatening circumstances

4. States fully cooperate with ICE, if you are discovered illegal for any reason, its a one way ticket home

 

In short once we fix it, there will be no reason to come

 

 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

Have you explained to her the history behind the 14th amendment and how it came into being? It might help her understand how it is the way it works today. There are some common sense solutions that could help stop the ''birth tourism'' 'problem', that don't have to go into changing the Constitution (which will be pretty much a non-starter pipe dream).

 

Having no grasp of English isn't something that is bothersome to me. People adapt over time, and it shows that robust freedom and opportunities can even overcome language barriers (how many takeaways and businesses that we have, even if a limited amount of English is spoken). Our ancestors certainly had no grasp of English for a great many of us. A good chunk of mine spoke German. My grandfather would have conversed with his mother in German (she spoke very little English) and her ancestors before that all had German dialects (they lived closely next to Irish immigrants and there was quite a culture barrier but they still managed). My great-grandfather's ancestors were all also German speaking or limited English. Everyone seems to think that older generations of immigrants learned English with great skill. It's not true. Remember, a great deal of our surnames came from officers not having any idea how to pronounce or understand the person fresh off the boat.

 

Not everyone that comes here is going to know English immediately. And I don't think we do enough to help facilitate or promote English-learning with ease either. For some, learning a new language can be difficult. My sister once worked with someone from China -- she spoke English, but her grasping of the language was difficult for her. Even those that learn English, are ridiculed for not being 'perfect' or are treated differently because they have heavily accented English. How good enough speaking, is... well good enough?

If the old ones don't speak it, their children will. My husband's employer attempts to have family English nights so that kids can bring their relatives in to help encourage them to learn English. It's a program that works, but it can still be difficult for some people. 

Blah blah blah you guys keep acting like we should have the same open immigration policy like we did 1-2 hundred years ago. We don't have made migrations of people coming here legally like what we did back then. We have small amount of people that are coming here legally that if below a certain age should be able to speak and understand basic English.

Did I say my wife is peffect in English? No, I did not say that at all there is alot of times with me when we get into deep conversations that she will flat out say "I don't know what you call it in English". So we talk about it and she usually finds out what to call the word/phrase she is thinking of in English. But for getting around the town and talking to people she is fine, she has a accent but overall she is fine. 

[bcking 3,157]

3 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Blah blah blah you guys keep acting like we should have the same open immigration policy like we did 1-2 hundred years ago. We don't have made migrations of people coming here legally like what we did back then. We have small amount of people that are coming here legally that if below a certain age should be able to speak and understand basic English.

This sounds an awful lot like the argument some people make about the 2nd amendment. Why do we have a policy about guns like we did 1-2 hundred years ago? Shouldn't we update it with the times? Shouldn't we consider more modern factors that weren't present back then? The constitution is a "living breathing document" blah blah blah.

 

Why are you okay with updating/changing certain aspects of our constitution, but not others? They are both covered by amendments aren't they? Is it the amendment number that matters? >10 are set in stone but the rest of fluid?

 

What arbitrary designation do you use?

Edited January 23, 2018 by bcking