House Passes Bill To Avoid Government Shutdown

[smilesammich 10,727]

5 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

Very simple. For me human beings currently under DACA protective status are more important than that dang 18 billion wall Mexico will not pay for.
Having said that border security is important but that the republicans play pawn with human beings under DACA status as a bargain chip is well simply deplorable.
We are at a 46 year low in border crossings, even Trump and his braggadocius claim to have single handedly brought this number down and has increased
BP admits it is not the problem it once was. So which is it ? An Apocalypse disaster or the lowest ever (in history of the whole entire world) ?
Research the umpteen articles easily found that point to stats of crossings are down. Wall not needed, I would as I said before go for better tech tools to help
BP agents do their job efficiently rather than running up and down a fence /  wall 24/7. Oh wait it's supposed to be a see through wall so maybe they should get better
binoculars.
I have to disappoint you that I simply do not share your priorities. Past history shows number are at the lowest in decades. 
 

the wall is see through so agents can see the bags of drugs catapulting from the other side and to avoid concussions. very important. lots of deaths from flying bags of drugs.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

7 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

How was this misinterpreted?  You did make a blanket statement about recent legal immigrants to the country.

 

"Yes, it is really weird how people, as soon as they make it here doesn't want anyone else to make it here."

Again, see my post who said what why.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

29 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

This is the post that made me ask the question why so many immigrants after they are already here want to limit legal aspects of immigration.
Ending the 14th amendment ? Really ?
She is entitled to her opinion as much as I am entitled to my question and statement of hearing the all familiar door slam by recent immigrants who
made here for a better life. 
 

Did I ever say anything about Legal immigration or are you just putting words in to my mouth to make yourself feel better?

 

My wife simply can't understand how a Illegal or someone here on a tourist visa can have baby, and that baby be a full fledged American citizen. This idea just amazes her to say the least.  Also she has never said about limiting legal immigration at all, or that we should close the gates behind her so to speak. She has seen and experienced how older Pinoys talk to or deal with her because she is "Fresh off the boat". She has no problem with people coming here legally at all and I never said that she did have a problem with it.

 

Also what amazes her is how people want to come live here Illegally or Legally that have almost no grasp of the English language at all. It is not her 1st, 2nd, or 3rd language but she can speak it well enough that you can understand her and get her point. You would know that she is not born here but you can understand her easily. She knows 5 different languages and can speak most of them fluently(she is losing Danish because she doesn't work for a Danish family anymore).

Edited January 23, 2018 by cyberfx1024

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

6 hours ago, Boiler said:

Sounds like you are confused, the issue and the whole thread is about illegals.

The intent of the thread is yes, but if you read through it legal immigration and it's desired changes were also heavily discussed.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

9 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Did I ever say anything about Legal immigration or are you just putting words in to my mouth to make yourself feel better?

 

My wife simply can't understand how a Illegal or someone here on a tourist visa can have baby, and that baby be a full fledged American citizen. This idea just amazes her to say the least.  Also she has never said about limiting legal immigration at all, or that we should close the gates behind her so to speak. She has seen and experienced how older Pinoys talk to or deal with her because she is "Fresh off the boat". She has no problem with people coming here legally at all and I never said that she did have a problem with it.

 

Also what amazes her is how people want to come live here Illegally or Legally that have almost no grasp of the English language at all. It is not her 1st, 2nd, or 3rd language but she can speak it well enough that you can understand her and get her point. You would know that she is not born here but you can understand her easily. She knows 5 different languages and can speak most of them fluently(she is losing Danish because she doesn't work for a Danish family anymore).

You said she wanted to end the 14th and has ideas on how to limit citizenship which right now says that anyone born here is a citizen.
My view is to stop entries at the border (heavily pregnant women) where it starts and leave the 14th alone as it is.
I am glad she is well versed in languages. Good for her, helps with integration and self reliance. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

7 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

You said she wanted to end the 14th and has ideas on how to limit citizenship which right now says that anyone born here is a citizen.
My view is to stop entries at the border (heavily pregnant women) where it starts and leave the 14th alone as it is.
I am glad she is well versed in languages. Good for her, helps with integration and self reliance. 

Send pregnant women in labor back into the night, to give birth in a ditch somewhere?  The MDL has no compassion 

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Send pregnant women in labor back into the night, to give birth in a ditch somewhere?  The MDL has no compassion 

we could have them give birth in shackles, a la joe arpaio

[Merrytooth 5,748]

54 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

Your personal needs ?

USA's needs. Or should it also catering to your personal needs, since you ask me...

 

US already have tons of poor people and trashy people which 3rd world countries won't even want.

Don't need to keep bringing in more here.

 

56 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

This is the post that made me ask the question why so many immigrants after they are already here want to limit legal aspects of immigration.
Ending the 14th amendment ? Really ?
She is entitled to her opinion as much as I am entitled to my question and statement of hearing the all familiar door slam by recent immigrants who
made here for a better life. 
 

Sorry, I did not come here for better life. And not everyone does.

 

Maybe you are for chain immigration because you are recipient of one.

 

Perhaps, the recent immigrants (like me) have seen USA for its true self that not everything is so rosy, roads paved with gold, and how some immigrants blatantly shamelessly abuse US system.

 US IS in fact going downhill, becomes more and more like hole 3rd world countries. 

 

And how is advocating for merit-based immigration consider a door slam?

Chain immigration is not sustainable, like the pension scheme -> Adding more and more people to the system, everyone ends up worst.

 

 

14 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

You said she wanted to end the 14th and has ideas on how to limit citizenship which right now says that anyone born here is a citizen.
My view is to stop entries at the border (heavily pregnant women) where it starts and leave the 14th alone as it is.
 

lol.. CBP or ICE can't even effectively weed out overstays. How successfully will it be to stop pregnant women (some pregnant women may not even have obvious tummy) from entering US?

People lies about their intentions all the time. So CBP should conduct pee stick test before flight boarding? ha ha  ha ha

 

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

2 hours ago, Merrytooth said:

 

If Diverse immigration is that great, why other countries (especially those 3rd world countries) are not falling over themselves to duplicate US so-called 'success' ?

3D printing is so popular these days. US should just send duplicate of liberty statute to them.

 

Overstays are called (or lumped together) illegals too, isn't it? And they are also subjected to deportation if caught.

The Media just like to put out those Hispanic illegals to sell heart wrenching story to fit their narratives.

 

In other thread, there is Poland PR getting held by ICE. See! He is white looking.

 

 

How is that weird? Did your so-called 'new immigrants' people advocate for cancelling all types of US visa, so that no one can else to make to US? 

 

US immigration should still keeps the marriages-based visa, immediate family (not uncles, aunties, nephews nieces, bring the whole village over) visa.

The rest should be changed to merit-based immigration.

 

Just because US was built by immigrants (long long time ago where everyone was poor), that does not mean that current US should not have standards in selecting the people that it needs.

Things/World change, paradigm shift.

 

Those US/UK Ivy leagues colleges were once filled with students with normal results.

So should those prestigious colleges now dropped their stringent admission criteria  and accept any tom, ####### and Jerry applications?

Why aren't they falling all over themselves to duplicate our immigration system ?   I guess they are happy with theirs,
you would have to ask them. We are a unique country. 
I think with the issue of overstays it is as follows :  Trump manipulates and focuses on brown people to stir up his base, remember Mexicans are rapists and very
bad people with an occasional "good one" thrown in for good measure. !
I did not hear him say that about 'Norwegians' on overstays who he wants here. Blue eyed and blond haired aren't rapists I guess. Go figure.

I am against merit based immigration so for me that should not change.

Prestigious colleges ? Explain what exactly you mean by every Tom, #### and Harry ? You mean human beings who look different from you but have the same aspirations ?
Or is the third "other looking world" people barred from prestigious academic learning ? Ah.....you think they are all ignorant from S***holes ? I see. 

Many things change that is true and things shift, however some things stay the same. Some immigrants are still needed for jobs other than "prestige" careers.
At the same time, as I sourced an article before that African S***hole countries give us their most motivated to succeed that hold more and higher degrees than 
Americans ONCE HERE or already educated. So that every Tom, D and Harry ball won't roll with me.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

10 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Send pregnant women in labor back into the night, to give birth in a ditch somewhere?  The MDL has no compassion 

No. That is not what I was saying. 
 

[yuna628 9,712]

5 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Did I ever say anything about Legal immigration or are you just putting words in to my mouth to make yourself feel better?

 

My wife simply can't understand how a Illegal or someone here on a tourist visa can have baby, and that baby be a full fledged American citizen. This idea just amazes her to say the least.  Also she has never said about limiting legal immigration at all, or that we should close the gates behind her so to speak. She has seen and experienced how older Pinoys talk to or deal with her because she is "Fresh off the boat". She has no problem with people coming here legally at all and I never said that she did have a problem with it.

 

Also what amazes her is how people want to come live here Illegally or Legally that have almost no grasp of the English language at all. It is not her 1st, 2nd, or 3rd language but she can speak it well enough that you can understand her and get her point. You would know that she is not born here but you can understand her easily. She knows 5 different languages and can speak most of them fluently(she is losing Danish because she doesn't work for a Danish family anymore).

Have you explained to her the history behind the 14th amendment and how it came into being? It might help her understand how it is the way it works today. There are some common sense solutions that could help stop the ''birth tourism'' 'problem', that don't have to go into changing the Constitution (which will be pretty much a non-starter pipe dream).

 

Having no grasp of English isn't something that is bothersome to me. People adapt over time, and it shows that robust freedom and opportunities can even overcome language barriers (how many takeaways and businesses that we have, even if a limited amount of English is spoken). Our ancestors certainly had no grasp of English for a great many of us. A good chunk of mine spoke German. My grandfather would have conversed with his mother in German (she spoke very little English) and her ancestors before that all had German dialects (they lived closely next to Irish immigrants and there was quite a culture barrier but they still managed). My great-grandfather's ancestors were all also German speaking or limited English. Everyone seems to think that older generations of immigrants learned English with great skill. It's not true. Remember, a great deal of our surnames came from officers not having any idea how to pronounce or understand the person fresh off the boat.

 

Not everyone that comes here is going to know English immediately. And I don't think we do enough to help facilitate or promote English-learning with ease either. For some, learning a new language can be difficult. My sister once worked with someone from China -- she spoke English, but her grasping of the language was difficult for her. Even those that learn English, are ridiculed for not being 'perfect' or are treated differently because they have heavily accented English. How good enough speaking, is... well good enough?

If the old ones don't speak it, their children will. My husband's employer attempts to have family English nights so that kids can bring their relatives in to help encourage them to learn English. It's a program that works, but it can still be difficult for some people. 

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

5 minutes ago, Merrytooth said:

USA's needs. Or should it also catering to your personal needs, since you ask me...

 

US already have tons of poor people and trashy people which 3rd world countries won't even want.

Don't need to keep bringing in more here.

 

Sorry, I did not come here for better life. And not everyone does.

 

Maybe you are for chain immigration because you are recipient of one.

 

Perhaps, the recent immigrants (like me) have seen USA for its true self that not everything is so rosy, roads paved with gold, and how some immigrants blatantly shamelessly abuse US system.

 US IS in fact going downhill, becomes more and more like hole 3rd world countries. 

 

And how is advocating for merit-based immigration consider a door slam?

Chain immigration is not sustainable, like the pension scheme -> Adding more and more people to the system, everyone ends up worst.

 

 

lol.. CBP or ICE can't even effectively weed out overstays. How successfully will it be to stop pregnant women (some pregnant women may not even have obvious tummy) from entering US?

People lies about their intentions all the time. So CBP should conduct pee stick test before flight boarding? ha ha  ha ha

 

I did not say you came for a better life.
I did not say a word about chain immigration. I am in favor of reasonable family unification.
Pardon me but this country is not going down to a 3rd world country.
I find your comment about poor and trashy 3 rd world people extremely offensive. You seem very bitter about something.
Perhaps it was your own expectations with rose colored glasses that lead to your disappointment.
By the way, no I was never involved in chain immigration.
 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

12 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

No. That is not what I was saying. 
 

you said turn pregnant women away at the border. what else could it mean.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

10 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Have you explained to her the history behind the 14th amendment and how it came into being? It might help her understand how it is the way it works today. There are some common sense solutions that could help stop the ''birth tourism'' 'problem', that don't have to go into changing the Constitution (which will be pretty much a non-starter pipe dream).

 

Having no grasp of English isn't something that is bothersome to me. People adapt over time, and it shows that robust freedom and opportunities can even overcome language barriers (how many takeaways and businesses that we have, even if a limited amount of English is spoken). Our ancestors certainly had no grasp of English for a great many of us. A good chunk of mine spoke German. My grandfather would have conversed with his mother in German (she spoke very little English) and her ancestors before that all had German dialects (they lived closely next to Irish immigrants and there was quite a culture barrier but they still managed). My great-grandfather's ancestors were all also German speaking or limited English. Everyone seems to think that older generations of immigrants learned English with great skill. It's not true. Remember, a great deal of our surnames came from officers not having any idea how to pronounce or understand the person fresh off the boat.

 

Not everyone that comes here is going to know English immediately. And I don't think we do enough to help facilitate or promote English-learning with ease either. For some, learning a new language can be difficult. My sister once worked with someone from China -- she spoke English, but her grasping of the language was difficult for her. Even those that learn English, are ridiculed for not being 'perfect' or are treated differently because they have heavily accented English. How good enough speaking, is... well good enough?

If the old ones don't speak it, their children will. My husband's employer attempts to have family English nights so that kids can bring their relatives in to help encourage them to learn English. It's a program that works, but it can still be difficult for some people. 

Very well put. 

[TBoneTX 46,119]

The 14th Amendment begins, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..."

 

The bolded phrase, which is the key to resolving the whole "birthright citizenship" issue, is largely overlooked.