House Passes Bill To Avoid Government Shutdown

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59 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

who, where?

cause if you're talking about me, i've never advocated for open borders. and i've never seen anyone else post anything remotely close to my personal ideal here at vj.

there's certainly no one talking about open borders or advocating for open borders in this thread or concerning daca.

Then why not increase the border security first, then deal with the small population of DACA recipients.

 

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1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

because i'm the only person i've ever seen say anything about open borders (and not recently, or in this thread) outside of the constant accusations (ex "blah blah blah doesn't agree with the wall, hence they want open borders", "blah blah blah wants a permanent solution to daca and for daca recipients to be protected so they must therefore want open borders")

so who are you talking about?

Ok so you are on record as not wanting open borders. 

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Apparently, the Schumer shutdown will be over soon.

 

http://myfox8.com/2018/01/22/schumer-deal-reached-to-re-open-government/

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Bill & Katya said:

Then why not increase the border security first, then deal with the small population of DACA recipients.

 

why not protect daca recipients and move forward with immigration reform at the same time? it's not like there are any new daca recipients becoming eligible with each passing day. 

funding the wall should not even be a question. ask trump said, mexico is paying for it. he should be concentrating on making that happen so he can get his ridiculous wall built.

 

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4 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Ok so you are on record as not wanting open borders. 

no, but that's my personal opinion. not something i will ever see happen so i wouldn't waste my time advocating for it.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

10 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

why not protect daca recipients and move forward with immigration reform at the same time? it's not like there are any new daca recipients becoming eligible with each passing day. 

funding the wall should not even be a question. ask trump said, mexico is paying for it. he should be concentrating on making that happen so he can get his ridiculous wall built.

 

I would love to do those but simultaneously in all honesty. But the Dems have the track record of saying something and voting for it, all the while at a later date not giving the same thing they agreed on the funding it needs to be implemented. So why risk them doing it to us again?

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10 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

no, but that's my personal opinion. not something i will ever see happen so i wouldn't waste my time advocating for it.

So then there is someone here that is in favor of open borders ?

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Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

So then there is someone here that is in favor of open borders ?

no one advocating for it in this thread, as concerns daca especially. no. no one.

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1 minute ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I would love to do those but simultaneously in all honesty. But the Dems have the track record of saying something and voting for it, all the while at a later date not giving the same thing they agreed on the funding it needs to be implemented. So why risk them doing it to us again?

not aware of that track record.

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Just now, smilesammich said:

not aware of that track record.

 

Just now, smilesammich said:

not aware of that track record.

I will find it for you we but I am on my cell phone at lunch now. But what I can remember was the Reagan immigration bill that was approved but then at a later date the Dems didn't want enhanced border protections. So we just got stuck with the illegals that were amnested instead.

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Just now, cyberfx1024 said:

 

I will find it for you we but I am on my cell phone at lunch now. But what I can remember was the Reagan immigration bill that was approved but then at a later date the Dems didn't want enhanced border protections. So we just got stuck with the illegals that were amnested instead.

so, we haven't had any enhanced border protection since before reagan then? amazing.

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Just give a green card to the DACA kids, build the wall (so there will be no more - or many less - DACA kids in the future), reform immigration system (no lottery, more limits on chain migration, heavy scrutiny for some countries) and everyone should be happy.

Of course, I have a feeling that come Feb 8, there will be another shutdown.

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29 minutes ago, Italian_in_NYC said:

Just give a green card to the DACA kids, build the wall (so there will be no more - or many less - DACA kids in the future), reform immigration system (no lottery, more limits on chain migration, heavy scrutiny for some countries) and everyone should be happy.

Of course, I have a feeling that come Feb 8, there will be another shutdown.

That all sounds great to me, other than actually building a wall.

 

I'm not against walls, I just think it will end up being  a colossal waste of money with very little impact. I think we need to sort out our "border" but is very concrete and unimaginative to think that a gigantic wall is the solution to that. 

 

I'm not really sure why it was so hard to agree on DACA recipients. Are they technically illegal immigrants? Yes of course, but they are pretty low on the totem poll in terms of "illegals" that we should be cracking down on. They were kids. They have no culpability. The "right thing" to do seems pretty obvious to me. If we are serious about immigration reform we can just see them as the "last of their kind", so to speak. The goal would be eventually a program like DACA won't be necessary. Unfortunately we aren't there yet.

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37 minutes ago, Italian_in_NYC said:

Just give a green card to the DACA kids, build the wall (so there will be no more - or many less - DACA kids in the future), reform immigration system (no lottery, more limits on chain migration, heavy scrutiny for some countries) and everyone should be happy.

Of course, I have a feeling that come Feb 8, there will be another shutdown.

 

I agree with this. I would even go further.. abolish jus solis (birthright citizenship), no more anchor babies.

 

Give green card to DACA kids but their illegal presence parents should never have the path to US citizenship (they can remain green card holder for whole lives).