House Passes Bill To Avoid Government Shutdown

[NikLR 13,232]

27 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Ok, let me say it better just so you won’t come on here and get upset.

 

MOST people doing the K1 thing file AOS shortly after marriage, then ROC a year later, and get their 10 year GC a year after that.  But if they elect to skip AOS filing right away, and wait until the 2-year point, they will skip the 2 yr GC, and save several hundred dollars. So yes, technically, they are filing AOS, but at the “normal” ROC point in the process.  And it’s not bad advice, people have done it for various reasons.  Hopefully this is clearer and appeases your desire for you to allow me to continue posting.

You are telling someone it's okay to be an illegal alien for 2 years? 

[Dashinka 24,793]

9 hours ago, cyberfx1024 said:

This won't happen in fact the Dems in CA are doubling down on helping illegals evade ICE even if their criminals. They are offering up a bill to punish those that help ICE. Also if you reaped some type of reward from the tax cut then CA state will take half of what you saved.

It is interesting how the government leaders (local, state and federal) that constantly drive in the MDL do everything they can to hurt their voting constituents.  It is even more interesting that these idiots keep getting re-elected.

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9 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I would be ok with letting every non criminal stay, regardless of age, if they absolutely fix the problem, bolt down the hatch. No citizenship but LPR status.

 

In the future , no work for illegals, no school for illegals, no govt services for illegals, no medical care for illegals. no sanctuary cities. Harsh penalties for hiring them, harsh penalties for being here illegal. Caught and it's a one way ticket home, no exceptions 

Give that man a Harump!

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6 hours ago, Ebunoluwa said:

Since you asked, here is my answer.
Feed the mother, she is hungry.
I wouldn't put any mother in jail for stealing bread to keep from starving. I would cook her a meal and feed her and her child for as long as necessary
and help her to become self sufficient.

As to how would I handle DACA ?
Path to citizenship (same requirements of eligibility that have been in place already like age, how long here, military service etc.)
. Deport those who committed crimes. Tighten the border. Heavily fine employers who hire undocumented workers and fine the parents who brought the children here.
Then lock down the border but not with a tall shiny stupid wall that will not work. More border agents and go high tech instead. 

Shouldn't the border tightening happen first so we don't wash-rinse-repeat?  Also, shouldn't the adult that brought a child here illegally be deported?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

45 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Ok, let me say it better just so you won’t come on here and get upset.

 

MOST people doing the K1 thing file AOS shortly after marriage, then ROC a year later, and get their 10 year GC a year after that.  But if they elect to skip AOS filing right away, and wait until the 2-year point, they will skip the 2 yr GC, and save several hundred dollars. So yes, technically, they are filing AOS, but at the “normal” ROC point in the process.  And it’s not bad advice, people have done it for various reasons.  Hopefully this is clearer and appeases your desire for you to allow me to continue posting.

 

  That's a better way of putting it, but that doesn't negate that It was bad advice the way you originally posted it. K1's can not skip AOS , they can delay filing it.  I'm not upset, I just don't want someone coming across your post and following your poorly worded advice. Especially when we've been over this before. Most people know you can delay filing for AOS, but in that case the K1 spouse is saving the cost of ROC at the expense of being out of status and not being able to work legally during that time frame. It's not a good trade off for most people. 

Edited January 22, 2018 by Steeleballz

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

33 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

That didn't really answer my question.

That's probably the reason why I ignored it. 

 

You said illegals can't get a SSN.  At least two of us have shown you they can.  If you still refuse to believe it, well I tried.

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23 minutes ago, NikLR said:

You are telling someone it's okay to be an illegal alien for 2 years? 

They are not illegal, they are "out of status".  Just means they can't work (No EAD even if they have a SSN), and leaving the country becomes more difficult (AP).  But when we did our K1, I knew of people doing it because of the cost savings.  

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1 minute ago, IDWAF said:

They are not illegal, they are "out of status".  Just means they can't work (No EAD even if they have a SSN), and leaving the country becomes more difficult (AP).  But when we did our K1, I knew of people doing it because of the cost savings.  

The entire ROC process is a joke, but I guess since so many folks scammed the system in the past, it is a necessary evil.

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11 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  That's a better way of putting it, but that doesn't negate that It was bad advice the way you originally posted it. K1's can not skip AOS , they can delay filing it.  I'm not upset, I just don't want someone coming across your post and following your poorly worded advice. Especially when we've been over this before. Most people know you can delay filing for AOS, but in that case the K1 spouse is saving the cost of ROC at the expense of being out of status and not being able to work legally during that time frame. It's not a good trade off for most people. 

Fair enough.  I'll try to use my words better from now on.  Thank you for keeping me honest.

 

Not every immigrant goes to work as soon as they get here, so it's not really that big of a deal for them.  

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11 hours ago, Boiler said:

Begs the question who now watches or believes the MSM?

It is interesting, I didn't check, but I assume Schumer allowed a few senators from Red leaning states to vote for it.

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1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

The entire ROC process is a joke, but I guess since so many folks scammed the system in the past, it is a necessary evil.

It's just another (unmecessary) step where the government can take hundreds of dollars from you.  Could easily be combined with AOS and meet the same goals.

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58 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Ok, let me say it better just so you won’t come on here and get upset.

 

MOST people doing the K1 thing file AOS shortly after marriage, then ROC a year later, and get their 10 year GC a year after that.  But if they elect to skip AOS filing right away, and wait until the 2-year point, they will skip the 2 yr GC, and save several hundred dollars. So yes, technically, they are filing AOS, but at the “normal” ROC point in the process.  And it’s not bad advice, people have done it for various reasons.  Hopefully this is clearer and appeases your desire for you to allow me to continue posting.

That shouldn't even be an advise to people though. You shouldn't leave your spouse without a legal status. Skipping AOS should only be done if you get married and suddenly find yourself unable to pay for AOS because a huge unexpected financial thing came up. But it shouldn't be advice giving to someone who just wants to save on money because they are greedy. If you can't afford bringing your spouse over and do AOS, don't go through with the immigration process at all. 

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1 minute ago, Unidentified said:

That shouldn't even be an advise to people though. You shouldn't leave your spouse without a legal status. Skipping AOS should only be done if you get married and suddenly find yourself unable to pay for AOS because a huge unexpected financial thing came up. But it shouldn't be advice giving to someone who just wants to save on money because they are greedy. If you can't afford bringing your spouse over and do AOS, don't go through with the immigration process at all. 

I tend to agree with you, but I am sure there are people out there doing it.  Just as I am sure there are folks that come to the US on a tourist visa (or from a VWP country) with the intention to get married and stay, but lie to CBP.  I know in our case, I would never have considered it.  My wife is very close to her family so two plus years of not seeing them would have been unacceptable to her.  It was also nice to be able to work so she could get out of the house occasionally.

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7 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

They are not illegal, they are "out of status".  Just means they can't work (No EAD even if they have a SSN), and leaving the country becomes more difficult (AP).  But when we did our K1, I knew of people doing it because of the cost savings.  

When you fall "out of status" you have no legal status. It's pretty much same different name only difference is that one of them came in illegally and the other one did. What they have in common is that they don't have a status in the country. ICE is just not likely to come knocking on your door and throw you out anytime soon but if they bump into you somewhere and they ask you for your documents and realizes you don't have any you're in trouble. 

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1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

I tend to agree with you, but I am sure there are people out there doing it.  Just as I am sure there are folks that come to the US on a tourist visa (or from a VWP country) with the intention to get married and stay, but lie to CBP.  I know in our case, I would never have considered it.  My wife is very close to her family so two plus years of not seeing them would have been unacceptable to her.  It was also nice to be able to work so she could get out of the house occasionally.

Yes, lots of people are doing it. But it shouldn't be something that should be the go to advice like "hey if you want to save money..." more like "I heard you had some financial loss and can't do AOS right now, be aware that you can prolong sending it in but you might find yourself in trouble with ICE if you do though the chances for that are slim".