House Passes Bill To Avoid Government Shutdown

[Merle 458]

51 minutes ago, NikLR said:

Never said I think the US should open immigration more.  If anything I think a great deal of avenues should be closed.  No to AOS unless in extreme circumstances.  No to joint sponsors.  No to siblings.  

 

Most of the US is bilingual already.  I rarely buy a package of something without spanish written on it.  I do believe you should speak the language of the country you move to.  I expect people who move to Canada to speak english or french, I would expect people to learn english when moving to the USA.  I've had to change how I say things even to be understood.  LOL

 

Didn't say it was your choice, but you seem to be proud of the fact that you were paid to stay home while my husband had to go to work.   I'll say it to your face.  I'll hold my loaded AR15 while I do it too.   

  just went reread my post and and I failed to see where I said I was proud to stay home and get paid. I'm an aircraft mechanic for the Air Force. I'm not sure why I'm considered non-essential and your husband is not. But thanks for judging me as a lazy piece of #######.

[JimandChristy 1,689]

On an additional note, shocking lack of leadership from the President today. Government is shut down and he's hiding behind the draperies in the Oval Office. He's probably crying because he missed his one year anniversary celebration in Mar-a-lago.

[Ban Hammer 13,548]

1 hour ago, Unidentified said:

How come republicans are so void of empathy? Last time we had a shut down the republicans refused universal healthcare and now we want to throw out people who have lived here all their life. 

 

If you're all for helping the people who are in DACA then what is the problem? Trump is not interested to bring this up himself so let's just deal with it now and have it done with. Together with CHIP and proper budget for the military. 

because we've seen this many times in the past.  "immigration reform (aka amnesty)" is promised, those here already get to stay here, and we find ourselves in the same situation 10-20 years later. 

and then it is the same old song "but their kids.........".    wash rinse repeat.  when is it going to dawn on people that we can't keep trying to solve the same problem with the same
solution - amnesty?

Edited January 22, 2018 by Ban Hammer

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

8 minutes ago, Merle said:

  just went reread my post and and I failed to see where I said I was proud to stay home and get paid. I'm an aircraft mechanic for the Air Force. I'm not sure why I'm considered non-essential and your husband is not. But thanks for judging me as a lazy piece of #######.

I was a Electronic Tech for the USGS last time. Now I am a InfoSec Specialist with the DOD  and still not mission essential.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

25 minutes ago, Merle said:

  just went reread my post and and I failed to see where I said I was proud to stay home and get paid. I'm an aircraft mechanic for the Air Force. I'm not sure why I'm considered non-essential and your husband is not. But thanks for judging me as a lazy piece of #######.

 

   Don't be a drama queen Merle. No one called you a piece of anything, and it certainly looked like you were bragging about a free vacation.

[Merle 458]

Just now, Steeleballz said:

 

   Don't be a drama queen Merle. No one called you a piece of anything, and it certainly looked like you were bragging about a free vacation.

Bragging would be more like, "right on bring on the furlough, its just going to be a free vacation like last time. Its so great to be a lazy gov worker, yippee!"

[Boiler 46,107]

54 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Back to the topic at hand, and who is responsible for the shutdown...

Begs the question who now watches or believes the MSM?

[yuna628 9,713]

1 hour ago, -Trinity- said:

That's not a reason.

 

Not if you consider that they ask for social security number on almost every piece of paper.

 

 

It's the law, that's the reason.

 

They can ask. YOU have the RIGHT to not provide it, if you feel like it. And you have the right to provide it, if you feel like it.

When it is asked on a piece of paper, you have the right to not provide it.

Federal law mandates that only the DMV, the IRS, welfare agencies, and only governmental agencies may request your SSN. The additional 1974 Privacy Act, also requires that these stated agencies (local, state, and federal - not private entities) disclose to the individual when doing is so is mandatory rather than voluntary and what part of the law requires them to request it.

 

 

[Ban Hammer 13,548]

two members in this thread might find it worthwhile to quit the bickering.

 

charles

vj moderation

[Boiler 46,107]

4 hours ago, NikLR said:

Turn in their parents? Didn't they already do that when they applied for DACA?  I know people under DACA.  They certainly don't have permanent residency.  They have work permits that need to be reapplied for and have to apply in advance for permission to leave the USA. 

 

Not really... did you have a choice in where you lived? I sure didn't have a choice then. 

You said the reason behind this is because the US is the only country they have ever known, so at what age does this not apply?

[jg121783 3,921]

3 hours ago, NikLR said:

That's what's happens now.  They have to have proved when they arrived, they can't have a criminal record, and they get a work permit.  If the conditions are not met, they do not.  Do you know any DACA recipients because I do.   They get a work permit they can apply for again every other year.  They aren't given citizenship.  They are not even LPR.  They have less rights than I do but they grew up here.  My lack of rights are by my own choice of not wanting to a be a citizen of the USA, especially now.   

Except I'm not talking about a work permit. I'm talking about green cards if the conditions I listed are met. Personally I would rather have them legal and in the system than illegal with temporary work permits. The biggest thing here is we need steps to be taken to ensure we don't end up in this situation again. Last time there was amnesty we were promised everything would be fixed and it would never happen again. Then nothing was done to put a stop to illegal immigration. That is unacceptable this time.

 

If democrats want a path to citizenship for DACA recipients they better be ready to crack down like they never have before on illegal immigration going forward. That means anyone here illegally that doesn't meet DACA guidelines gets deported. If they don't have a history of being deported, have no criminal record and they remain in their country I might even be in favor of giving them a path to getting a green card. If they have been deported more than once or have a criminal record forget about it. We also need stiffer penalties for illegal immigration rather than simple deportation. I think your first offense should just be a deportation then subsequent violations should result in jail time then deportation with the amount of jail time increasing with each subsequent offense. Mexico gives illegal immigrants a year of hard labor then deportation but I think that is too harsh.

 

All that being said the Democrats picked the wrong time to bring this up. Both Trump and some Republicans have stated they are willing to negotiate on this but the Democrats want a free for all and have no reservations about shutting down the government to get their way. It's very shameful. Both my brother and his wife are in the military and will probably be going without pay for as long as Democrats choose to throw their temper tantrum. The budget and immigration are two seperate issues that should be taken up seperately. Let's get a budget passed then we can hash out the immigration issue.

 

[jg121783 3,921]

3 hours ago, IDWAF said:

I couldn’t get a DL for my wife because her I-94 was 95 days old.  Even though she had a SSN.  Could not get her DL until she had a GC in hand, even though I was able to get the DMV agent to talk to a USCIS agent on the phone, in front of me, and explain to the DMV agent that she was legally here since we were married.  What a goat-rope it was!

The only reason my wife got her learners permit that day is because I threatened legal action. My wife didn't have her green card yet so her visa served as a temporary green card. That is what CBP told me on the phone. They even told me it should be accepted for drivers licenses. Unfortunately the idiot at the DMV couldn't get that through his thick skull. We went back and forth about it for 2 hours until I threatened to sue the DMV and him personally. He then picked up the phone and called someone at the main DMV office who immediately told him I was right. The bad thing is my wife took her driving test a couple months ago and this same idiot is the one who gave her the test. Of course he failed her and I could tell he remembered me from the last time. My wife told me he gave her instructions that were intentionally confusing and I could tell by his attitude when he told me she failed that something was up. We're waiting for the snow to go away then she is going to take the test again in the next town over.

[LabOz 915]

4 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

It's very shameful. Both my brother and his wife are in the military and will probably be going without pay for as long as Democrats choose to throw their temper tantrum. The budget and immigration are two seperate issues that should be taken up seperately. Let's get a budget passed then we can hash out the immigration issue.

 

Military gets paid 1st and 15th. No one is going without pay unless the shutdown goes on for 12 more days. Average shutdown length is 3 days. They are paid retroactively and if someone can't survive with 1 late paycheck maybe they need to rethink their financial habits. Funny you state there are two separate issues but that is exactly what the GOP did when they shutdown the government in 2013 over Obamacare. Talk about hypocrisy.  The bad things is unless changes are made both parties will continue to use the shutdowns as a tool to get what they want. Not a good way to govern.  What happened to draining the swamp?

[NikLR 13,232]

26 minutes ago, Boiler said:

You said the reason behind this is because the US is the only country they have ever known, so at what age does this not apply?

When a child cannot survive on their own?  I think DACA is arrival before age 16? I'm not sure that's young enough?  That's a good question though. 

[yuna628 9,713]

2 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

The only reason my wife got her learners permit that day is because I threatened legal action. My wife didn't have her green card yet so her visa served as a temporary green card. That is what CBP told me on the phone. They even told me it should be accepted for drivers licenses. Unfortunately the idiot at the DMV couldn't get that through his thick skull. We went back and forth about it for 2 hours until I threatened to sue the DMV and him personally. He then picked up the phone and called someone at the main DMV office who immediately told him I was right. The bad thing is my wife took her driving test a couple months ago and this same idiot is the one who gave her the test. Of course he failed her and I could tell he remembered me from the last time. My wife told me he gave her instructions that were intentionally confusing and I could tell by his attitude when he told me she failed that something was up. We're waiting for the snow to go away then she is going to take the test again in the next town over.

Wow that is terrible! The people at the desks don't give the tests here. They usually get LEO's that are retired to do it.