House Passes Bill To Avoid Government Shutdown

[jg121783 3,921]

6 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

As well they should get educated! It neverendingly irks me how many HR and reps continue to make downright illegal demands from customers. If there's a poster here that's being told they need an SSN to have health insurance - I suggest reading federal law and ask them if they really want to continue breaking it.

You think that's bad. It took me 3 hours to get the DMV to accept the visa in my wife's passport for a learners permit.

[yuna628 9,713]

Just now, jg121783 said:

You think that's bad. It took me 3 hours to get the DMV to accept the visa in my wife's passport for a learners permit.

I was prepared to suffer the same at our small town DMV. Thankfully... that was the least painful part of the process. I have heard so many horror stories.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

20 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

It may not seem FAIR, but it is the LAW.  I think a lot of you people who think DACA folks should just get to stay should go on an adventure.  Maybe a group one.  Pick a foreign country (other than the US), enter illegally, then try to get citizenship there.  Let’s see how that works for you.

But isnt Congress in the process of changing the law?
Essentially making your point kind of moot.

 

25 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

I see you failed to click on the link.  Can’t help you if you cannot navigate your way to the post in question.

Are you talking about the link that i posted?
I really hope you aren't serious.

Edited January 21, 2018 by Keith & Arileidi

[NikLR 13,232]

34 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

That is not at all what I said. I simply asked if people who came here illegally aren't illegal aliens what are they? I would actually support a reasonable solution allowing people brought here as children to stay but some conditions have to be met. First of all they should have to prove they were brought here as children and have been here long enough to establish a life here. Secondly no one gets to stay who has a criminal record. Third something has to be done to stop this disaster from happening in the future. Finally anyone wanting to stay has to go through the same application process any other potential immigrant goes through (a temporary visa could be granted during the application process). If those conditions are met I support allowing some daca recipients to stay. If not I don't.

 

That's what's happens now.  They have to have proved when they arrived, they can't have a criminal record, and they get a work permit.  If the conditions are not met, they do not.  Do you know any DACA recipients because I do.   They get a work permit they can apply for again every other year.  They aren't given citizenship.  They are not even LPR.  They have less rights than I do but they grew up here.  My lack of rights are by my own choice of not wanting to a be a citizen of the USA, especially now.   

Edited January 21, 2018 by NikLR

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

16 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

But isnt Congress in the process of changing the law?
Essentially making your point kind of moot.

 

Are you talking about the link that i posted?
I really hope you aren't serious.

It would seem not.  No laws have changed that I am aware of.  Other than Obama doing an end run around the laws in place with his DACA policy.

Jesus dude, I am talking about the link I posted for you showing that illegals have SSNs.  Just click the link, and it will take you to the post so you can read it.  

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

23 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

You think that's bad. It took me 3 hours to get the DMV to accept the visa in my wife's passport for a learners permit.

I couldn’t get a DL for my wife because her I-94 was 95 days old.  Even though she had a SSN.  Could not get her DL until she had a GC in hand, even though I was able to get the DMV agent to talk to a USCIS agent on the phone, in front of me, and explain to the DMV agent that she was legally here since we were married.  What a goat-rope it was!

[NikLR 13,232]

25 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

It may not seem FAIR, but it is the LAW.  I think a lot of you people who think DACA folks should just get to stay should go on an adventure.  Maybe a group one.  Pick a foreign country (other than the US), enter illegally, then try to get citizenship there.  Let’s see how that works for you.

I don't think you understand DACA.  I would think you would, but I am wrong in that assumption so I'm sorry to have overestimated you.

 

DEFERRED ACTION FOR CHILDHOOD ARRIVALS

 

So a child, was brought to a country, by their parent and has no say in the matter.  That child obeys the law.  Grows up in that country. 

 

Yes I am okay with that child getting a work permit.  

Yes I am okay with that child earning the right to become an LPR.

Am I okay with their parent's staying? No. They knowingly and illegally entered the country and they should be removed and banned.  Did they do it for good reasons? Probably.  They likely wanted a better life for their children and themselves.  But that's what amnesty is for, not illegal entry.  The child, however, had no choice.  

At what age should the cut off be?  I don't know... 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, NikLR said:

I don't think you understand DACA.  I would think you would, but I am wrong in that assumption so I'm sorry to have overestimated you.

 

DEFERRED ACTION FOR CHILDHOOD ARRIVALS

 

So a child, was brought to a country, by their parent and has no say in the matter.  That child obeys the law.  Grows up in that country. 

 

Yes I am okay with that child getting a work permit.  

Yes I am okay with that child earning the right to become an LPR.

Am I okay with their parent's staying? No. They knowingly and illegally entered the country and they should be removed and banned.  Did they do it for good reasons? Probably.  They likely wanted a better life for their children and themselves.  But that's what amnesty is for, not illegal entry.  The child, however, had no choice.  

At what age should the cut off be?  I don't know... 

I understand DACA very well, thank you.  Often argue FOR the recipients of DACA to those not in the know, actually.  But here in an immigration forum, I would expect not to have to explain the finer details.

 

Unfortunately, all of your “I AM OKs” don’t change the laws in place today.  

And no matter how much you argue that the kids came here with no will of their own, many, MANY of them are over 18 now, and could have left and tried to immigrate the legal way.  Reckon how many have?  They KNOW they are illegal, but they are hoping to get away with what their parents did.

Edited January 21, 2018 by IDWAF

[NikLR 13,232]

1 minute ago, IDWAF said:

I understand DACA very well, thank you.  Often argue FOR the recipients of DACA to those not in the know, actually.  But here in an immigration forum, I would expect not to have to explain the finer details.

Then why are you arguing against me now?  (off topic as it is.)

 

My husband has to go to work without pay.  We're not military so there's no guarantee he WILL ever be paid for that time.   Pretty sure the shut down affects us more than most families here anyhow. 

[Merle 458]

57 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

DACA recipients?

And what status does one have to be in to qualify as a "DACA recipient"?

[Merle 458]

11 minutes ago, NikLR said:

Then why are you arguing against me now?  (off topic as it is.)

 

My husband has to go to work without pay.  We're not military so there's no guarantee he WILL ever be paid for that time.   Pretty sure the shut down affects us more than most families here anyhow. 

I was furloughed last go around and got back pay for the days i didn't even work. Pretty much a free vacation. Don't hate the player.....  

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

5 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Source?

Here you go sir.

 

 

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/map-illegal-immigration-costs-california-most-23b-all-states-89b/article/2642257

Edited January 21, 2018 by cyberfx1024

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

19 minutes ago, NikLR said:

Then why are you arguing against me now?  (off topic as it is.)

 

My husband has to go to work without pay.  We're not military so there's no guarantee he WILL ever be paid for that time.   Pretty sure the shut down affects us more than most families here anyhow. 

Because currently, they are illegals that should be deported, according to US immigration law.  Does it suck for the folks who came here hears ago because their parents broke the law?  Sure it does.  But let’s quit calling them kids. They are adults.  Many with degrees and jobs.  And while that is a good thing in their favor, the fact is that they are here ILLEGALLY.  Had they gone back to their home country, and applied for legal immigration when they were 18, or so, they might be on a path to LPR by now.  Who knows?  I certainly don’t.  And while I feel for their plight (the emotional side of me), I realize they are illegal by current US law.  If you want to talk about amnesty, how well did that work out for us in the 80s?  How has the situation changed between then and now?  What will happen if we just grant amnesty to DACAs today?  Surely you can see how it will not end well for the US?

 

If your husband is truly not getting paid, then why is he going to work?  Most likely, he WILL get paid.  Heck, last shutdown, people who were told to stay at home got back pay for doing so.  It ended pretty well for them.  It usually does for government workers.

Edited January 21, 2018 by IDWAF

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

28 minutes ago, NikLR said:

Then why are you arguing against me now?  (off topic as it is.)

 

My husband has to go to work without pay.  We're not military so there's no guarantee he WILL ever be paid for that time.   Pretty sure the shut down affects us more than most families here anyhow. 

Your huaband has to do that NOT you. I am furloughed as well and I am the sole provider for my family.  I hate how the Dems are putting Illegals above actual citizens.

 

I am all for helping the people that have actually gone through the DACA process to get approved for it. But to actually hold up the budget for that one thing is stupid in my book.

Edited January 21, 2018 by cyberfx1024

[Dashinka 24,793]

1 hour ago, NikLR said:

Turn in their parents? Didn't they already do that when they applied for DACA?  I know people under DACA.  They certainly don't have permanent residency.  They have work permits that need to be reapplied for and have to apply in advance for permission to leave the USA. 

 

Not really... did you have a choice in where you lived? I sure didn't have a choice then. 

I agree, at this time a DACA recipient is only getting an EAD, but I believe the folks on the Left in our federal government want this to be expanded as a path to citizenship.  Btw, I am not aware of a DACA recipient being required to inform on the adult that brought them here illegally.