Trump Admin Will Protect Health Workers Who Refuse Services On Religious Grounds

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Health care workers who want to refuse to treat patients because of religious or moral beliefs will have a new defender in the Trump Administration.

The top civil rights official at the Department of Health and Human Services is creating the Division of Conscience and Religious Freedom to protect doctors, nurses and other health care workers who refuse to take part in procedures like abortion, or treat certain people because of moral or religious objections.

"Never forget that religious freedom is a primary freedom, that it is a civil right that deserves enforcement and respect," said Roger Severino, the director of HHS' Office for Civil Rights, at a ceremony to announce the new division.

The establishment of the division reverses an Obama-era policy that barred health care workers from refusing to treat transgender individuals, or people who have had or are seeking abortions.

That Obama rule was challenged in court by the Franciscan Alliance, a Christian health care organization in Texas, and a judge in 2016 blocked enforcement as the case played out in court.

The new division appears to be primarily aimed at preventing health care workers from participating in abortion services that go against their religious beliefs. The division cites a 2011 federal regulation guiding the enforcement of conscience protections that mentions abortion more than 30 times.

Louise Melling, deputy legal director at the American Civil Liberties Union, said those conscience objections could expand to allow health workers to refuse some services to gay, lesbian and transgender people.

"This administration has taken a very expansive view of religious liberty," she said in an interview. "It understands religious liberty to override antidiscrimination principles."

HHS makes clear that it won't allow gender discrimination that is banned by federal law. The question, according to Melling, is whether the administration includes gender identity and sexual orientation in the definition of gender.

She says there are many examples of health workers refusing care on religious grounds, including a nurse who didn't want to provide post-operative care to a woman who had an abortion, a pediatrician who declined to see a child because his parents were lesbians and a fertility doctor who didn't want to provide services to a lesbian couple.

Acting HHS Secretary Eric Hargan said Thursday that is the point.

"For too long too many of these health care practitioners have been bullied and discriminated against because of their reilgious beliefs and moral conviction," he said.

The government, he said, has "hounded religious hospitals and the men and women who staff them, forcing them to provide and refer for services that violate their consciences."

The new division won't have to wait to get to work. A pediatric nurse at the Winnebago County Health Department in Illinois filed a complaint with HHS on Tuesday because she objects to her employer requiring that she be trained to make referrals to providers of abortion services or to help woman get abortion drugs, according to the Rockford Register Star.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/01/18/578811426/trump-will-protect-health-workers-who-reject-patients-on-religious-grounds

christian sharia is okay, folks. it's about freedom.

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29 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

christian sharia is okay, folks. it's about freedom.

No its not. I could support someone not wanting to participate in an abortion, even though I am pro choice. example if you object to abortions do not accept a job in a facility that does them (or department) I have no problem with a doctor saying he does not do abortions. My doctor does not do ingrown toenails. No one is going to force him to. 

 

Not treating a child because it's parent are Lesbians is insane. If you are a pediatrician , you should not discriminate because of parents. 

 

 

As I have always told you the far flung religious right aka Roy Moore-scares me as bad as the far flung left. They both want to run your life and make choices for you.

 

Not treating a child because it's parent are Lesbians is insane. If you are a pediatrician 

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I believe when you perform a job, and you know that you will be dealing with all kinds of people, you either have to be neutral or choose a different job.

 

I once had to reject an excellent candidate for a job, her reason was she didn't want to shake hands with males. Although I respect her religious beliefs, it was something that would hurt the business I was working in. A lot of interaction with people. I always wondered why she choose a job like that if she couldn't do one of the basic performances, interact with people.

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5 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

No its not. I could support someone not wanting to participate in an abortion, even though I am pro choice. example if you object to abortions do not accept a job in a facility that does them (or department) I have no problem with a doctor saying he does not do abortions. My doctor does not do ingrown toenails. No one is going to force him to. 

 

Not treating a child because it's parent are Lesbians is insane. If you are a pediatrician , you should not discriminate because of parents. 

 

 

As I have always told you the far flung religious right aka Roy Moore-scares me as bad as the far flung left. They both want to run your life and make choices for you.

 

Not treating a child because it's parent are Lesbians is insane. If you are a pediatrician 

glad my sarcasm is never lost on you.

 

your doctor refuses ingrown toenails on religious grounds?

 

all of the examples given are disgusting to me. a nurse refusing to give post op care to a women after an abortion? just, gross. why are you a nurse, lady.

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7 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

glad my sarcasm is never lost on you.

 

your doctor refuses ingrown toenails on religious grounds?

 

all of the examples given are disgusting to me. a nurse refusing to give post op care to a women after an abortion? just, gross. why are you a nurse, lady.

My doctor doesn't do it, because he does not do in office procedures. 

Why is the nurse working in a post op that does abortions if she is so against it. Would be like working in a liquor store and you despise drinkers or working at Sams and refusing to ring up pork products. 

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I dont think a medical professional should ever refuse service to anyone, in an emergency situation. Dont they take an oath. Like Hawkeye on Mash. 

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so should these women be fired.

Target shift's muslims who wont ring up pork 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17665989/ns/business-us_business/t/target-shifts-muslims-who-wont-ring-pork/#.WmDvW66nEdU

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Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

My doctor doesn't do it, because he does not do in office procedures. 

Why is the nurse working in a post op that does abortions if she is so against it. Would be like working in a liquor store and you despise drinkers or working at Sams and refusing to ring up pork products. 

well then that would be like going to a dentist for a hernia..

 

i don't know why, make no sense to me. certainly don't understand why dhhs needs to create another department to protect health care workers who want to judge and dismiss their patients. 

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2 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

so should these women be fired.

Target shift's muslims who wont ring up pork 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17665989/ns/business-us_business/t/target-shifts-muslims-who-wont-ring-pork/#.WmDvW66nEdU

because selling pork at target and providing healthcare is the same basic scenario?

eta also, the pork nonsense is from 2007.

Edited January 18, 2018 by smilesammich

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Just now, smilesammich said:

because selling pork at target and providing healthcare is the same basic scenario?

Its the same exact moral principle. 100%

 

Btw I am agreeing with you on your OP. My writing style may preclude me from conveying  that  precisely enough 

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1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Its the same exact moral principle. 100%

 

Btw I am agreeing with you on your OP. My writing style may preclude me from conveying  that  precisely enough 

i don't see them as equal. and scanning pork isn't ingesting pork but that's a battle for target and their cashiers. what i'm talking about is the united states government creating a department to protect healthcare workers who refuse to treat certain people based on their personal beliefs. 

think if obama had created a department within the fda to protect jewish cashiers from ringing up non kosher foods. 

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15 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i don't see them as equal. and scanning pork isn't ingesting pork but that's a battle for target and their cashiers. what i'm talking about is the united states government creating a department to protect healthcare workers who refuse to treat certain people based on their personal beliefs. 

think if obama had created a department within the fda to protect jewish cashiers from ringing up non kosher foods. 

Obama creating a department to protect jews. Thats funny 

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1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Obama creating a department to protect jews. Thats funny 

why?

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when religious freedom intersects with law and discrimination,  there is often not a clear line of right and wrong.

 

If you accept a job in a facility that does abortions, be prepared to deal with abortions. If you accept a job at target be prepared to ring up all UPC's. Its really that simple.

 

The problem I would have, would be if they forced someone to accept a job or provide abortions against their will. Same thing with pork products. If they required a Muslim store to stock them, I would have a problem with that. 

 

Now a regular run of the mill doctor refusing to treat the child of a lesbian, with no other circumstances, that is clear cut discrimination. 

5 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

why?

Cause he is a Muslim silly.

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1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

when religious freedom intersects with law and discrimination,  there is often not a clear line of right and wrong.

 

If you accept a job in a facility that does abortions, be prepared to deal with abortions. If you accept a job at target be prepared to ring up all UPC's. Its really that simple.

 

The problem I would have, would be if they forced someone to accept a job or provide abortions against their will. Same thing with pork products. If they required a Muslim store to stock them, I would have a problem with that. 

 

Now a regular run of the mill doctor refusing to treat the child of a lesbian, with no other circumstances, that is clear cut discrimination. 

Cause he is a Muslim silly.

obama is as muslim as trump is christian. anyway..

 

why do we need government to protect that run of the mill doctor from having to treat kids with two moms? is trump just tossing a bone to the fundies that proclaimed him the new messiah or is he starting construction on the new religious wing of the swamp for his own beliefs (lol)?