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I'm hoping someone will be able to offer some advice, I've see a few posts on various forums about this particular matter but have yet to see an answer or definitive outcome to this situation.

 

Some context about my case - For nearly two years I have been working on my O1 visa case with my lawyers; Kate Raynor & Associates. I have two job offers in Los Angeles waiting for me as a musician; one to join a band and the other to be an on call session guitarist to one of LA's top song writer/producers. 

 

We submitted my case with USCIS in June 2017 to which I was asked for more evidence. I was annoyed but did as requested and gathered more evidence then re-submitted at the end of October 2017. I then received a positive outcome mid December 2017 stating my O1 visa had been approved. I booked an appointment for my interview and to send off my passport to get stamped at the US embassy in London on January 3rd 2018.

 

The interview didn't go as expected as I was told they would need to review my case further, the next day I received an email from the embassy with a 'notification of revocation'. The decision will now go back to USCIS who will either agree with the London embassy's recommendation to revoke my visa, or they might still think I deserve the O1 (I would think they would side with the embassy though).

 

The average response time from USCIS seems to be about 6-12 months, possibly longer. As anyone can understand this is pretty ridiculous as no job offer will realistically wait indefinitely for an answer, even if it is positive, especially in the music industry.  

 

I have been given no specific reason as to why they are trying to revoke my visa other than one short line in the email saying 'The request for revocation is based on further administrative review of the applicant’s qualifications conducted subsequent to your visa interview at Embassy London.' This seems incredibly unreasonable as the interview only lasted about 5 minutes, I was asked about 5--10 questions which were somewhat vague, so I was unable to talk about 90% of the evidence that granted me the initial approval. It also appeared the consular officer who interviewed me had no previous knowledge of my case, so was basing the entirety of his decision on my answers in that moment.

 

Does anyone have any knowledge/experience on how to resolve this matter quickly, ideally with the visa ultimately being approved? (as it has been approved in principal in the US). 

 

This decision will have massive long term ramifications on my life as, from now on, if I travel to any other country and they ask if I have ever been denied a visa, I will have to say yes and explain why. This will obviously count against me and will potentially impact my ability to work as, being a musician, I'm often required to travel all over the world for gigs. So the embassy's decision to refuse a visa to work in the US will now risk my ability to work anywhere else. It will also affect the band and producer who have offered me jobs as they will now have to start looking for other guitarists to fill my spot until this matter can be resolved, which again will affect their ability to work and progress. 

 

Thanks for reading, I can give more info if needed, I didn't want to post too much straight away as that'll probably scare people off!


Jake

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At this point you likely have few options other than waiting for the review to complete. 

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Agreed, you just need to wait it out at this point. Good luck.

 

The embassy does not care that you will have to declare a visa refusal in the future...that just is not part of their consideration for visa eligibility.

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ROC:

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7/27/20: Sent forms to Dallas lockbox, 7/30/20: Received by USCIS, 8/10 NOA1 electronic notification received, 8/1/ NOA1 hard copy received

AOS:

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9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago, 9/27/17: received by USCIS, 10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received, 10/10/17: NOA1 hard copy received. Social Security card being issued in married name (3rd attempt!)

10/14/17: Biometrics appointment notice received, 10/25/17: Biometrics

1/2/18: EAD + AP approved (no website update), 1/5/18: EAD + AP mailed, 1/8/18: EAD + AP approval notice hardcopies received, 1/10/18: EAD + AP received

9/5/18: Interview scheduled notice, 10/17/18: Interview

10/24/18: Green card produced notice, 10/25/18: Formal approval, 10/31/18: Green card received

K-1:

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I-129F

12/1/16: sent, 12/14/16: NOA1 hard copy received, 3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification), 3/22/17: RFE response received

3/24/17: Approved! , 3/30/17: NOA2 hard copy received

 

NVC

4/6/2017: Received, 4/12/2017: Sent to Riyadh embassy, 4/16/2017: Case received at Riyadh embassy, 4/21/2017: Request case transfer to Manila, approved 4/24/2017

 

K-1

5/1/2017: Case received by Manila (1 week embassy transfer??? Lucky~)

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7/19/2017: Visa in hand

8/15/2017: POE

 

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No way to do it fast

just helped a VJ member to get reapproved after revocation of a visa / process took a year and a half

it will be up to you to show that the O1 was a position that is specialized and can not be filled by the band by a USC or green card holder already here

whatever,  you need to wait the 6 or so months for case to be returned to USCIS and the letter of explanation to come

then,  gather the needed evidence to show why you are the only one that can fill this position (chances it will be taken by time you do so need to have the band explain you are more qualified than someone else and they need you and only you)  the O 1 is hard to prove as the US has qualified people to fill any position and / or job here unless you are an exceptional tallented mastermind

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19 minutes ago, Hypnos said:

At this point you likely have few options other than waiting for the review to complete. 

Some recommendations have been to pull the entire case and start again, pay for the expedited service so the case is dealt with quicker as a potentially faster way to move forward rather than waiting indefinitely for response. Do you think that would work? As essentially I already have an approved visa case on paper, so we'd be fairly sure the evidence is sufficient to grant me an approved visa again?

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UCSIS does not really care about the opinion of the consulate. 

 

15 minutes ago, Jake Faun said:

Some recommendations have been to pull the entire case and start again, pay for the expedited service so the case is dealt with quicker as a potentially faster way to move forward rather than waiting indefinitely for response. Do you think that would work? As essentially I already have an approved visa case on paper, so we'd be fairly sure the evidence is sufficient to grant me an approved visa again?

I don't think that will help. The consulate can deny it again and they will most likely do.

 

However, I have seen cases in which USCIS reaffirms the case and the consulate goes back on their decision. This won't happen if you start over. 

 

 

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Frustrating that you haven't been told exactly why!

 

Honestly, I would be tempted to refile with premium processing. It would certainly be quicker albeit expensive.

Perhaps modify how the evidence is presented to improve the chances in your favour.

O1s are all about how it is presented and a good O lawyer should know how to sprinkle the magic in that respect

 

 

CR1 / DCF (London): 2012 / 2013 (4 months from I-130 petition to visa in hand)

I-751 #1- April 2015 [Denied]

 

April 2015 : I-751 Joint filing package sent fedex next day 09:00am from UK ($lots - thanks). 
Jan 2017: Notification that an interview has been scheduled at a local office. Bizarrely still no RFE... 
Jan 2017: 2hr wait, then interview terminated before it began, due to moving my ID to another state 2 wks prior. New interview 'in a few months...maybe.'   Informed them that divorce proceedings are underway, but not finalised at this time. 
March 2017: An Interview was scheduled - marked as no-show as they didn't actually send out a notification of interview. FML 
April  2017: Filed an official complaint with the ombudsman, and have requested Senator & Congressman assistance
August 2017: Interview - switched to a (finalised) divorce waiver. Told that decision will be made that afternoon, but no problems foreseen with my case. 
October 2017: Letter of Denial received - reason given as 'I-751 petition was not properly filed'. Discovered ex-spouse made false allegations to USCIS in 2015. No opportunity given to review & refute allegations  - contrary to USCIS policy.

I-751 #2 - Oct 2017 - Mar 2021[Denied] 

 

October 2017: Within 72hrs of receiving denial notice, a new waiver I-751, divorce decree & $680 cheque, sent to Vermont via FedEx overnight 9am priority.  
Dec 2019: Filed FOIA request for full A# file
Feb 2020: FOIA request completed - entire A# file received as a .PDF; 197 pages fully redacted, and 80 partially redacted. Don't waste your time!
March 2021: I-751 #2 denied for lack of evidence. No RFE, no interview, and evidence in previous I-751 not reviewed - contrary to policy. Huge errors in adjudication.

N-400 - Feb 2018 - Apr 2021 [Denied]

 

February 2018: N-400 filed online.  $725 paid to the USCIS paperwork wastage fund

February  2019: Interview - cancelled after a four hour wait due to 'missing paperwork' on their end. Promised Expedited reschedule.

March 2021: Interview letter received, strangely dated after I-751 denial. No I-751 interview conducted. N-400 interview and test passed, given 'cannot make a decision at this time' paper due to the ongoing I-751 nightmare...

April 2021: N-400 denial received citing recent I-751 denial as basis for ineligibility, even though it should have been a combo interview 🤯

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Service Motion - March 2021 [Sent via FedEx & COMPLETELY IGNORED by USCIS]

 

March 2021: Service Motion request sent overnight addressed direectly to field office director, requesting urgent review and re-opening, based on errors in adjudication - citing USCIS policy, AFM and memorandums as basis for errors. This was completely ignored by USCIS.

 I-751 #3 - June 2021 - Jan 2024 [Denied]

 

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Feb 2022: RFIE (no, not an RFE, a Request For Initial Evidence) received, for copies of the divorce paperwork that they already have 😑

July 2022: Infopass for I-551 stamp number eleven.....

August 2023: Infopass for I-551 stamp number twelve....

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My lawyer did tell after the interview that apparently the London embassy has been known to cause issues with approved visas/is more strict than others. They also thought the fact that the embassy is about to move location could have had something to do with the decision, as their priorities at this time might not be checking every applicants case thoroughly so might have missed something with the move coming up. So the recommendation to refile with with premium processing, then arrange the interview at a different embassy, perhaps one that isn't as problematic as London, might be the best way to go? 

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Two things --

  1. First, you never had an approved visa -- you have/had an approved petition, which is the USCIS-based start of the process.  That gives you the approval to apply for the visa, which is the Embassy portion.  While the approved petition is prima facia evidence of qualification for the O-1 visa, it is based solely on the papers you sent in.  The Embassy interview is to confirm that information and/or develop new information.
  2. Secondly, starting over and going to a different Embassy will not resolve your issues.  It will appear to be exactly what it is -- visa shopping, trying to get a different answer by changing location.  The second Embassy will have access to all the information/issues from your London case, and will likely wait to see the resolution of that case before moving forward with the second application.

 

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On 1/16/2018 at 7:22 PM, Jake Faun said:

My lawyer did tell after the interview that apparently the London embassy has been known to cause issues with approved visas/is more strict than others. They also thought the fact that the embassy is about to move location could have had something to do with the decision, as their priorities at this time might not be checking every applicants case thoroughly so might have missed something with the move coming up. So the recommendation to refile with with premium processing, then arrange the interview at a different embassy, perhaps one that isn't as problematic as London, might be the best way to go? 

 

1- You cannot apply for this visa in a consulate in which you do not reside, particularly for this type of visa. They will also check and see that you got refused at another place. This is not visa shopping. 

 

2- There is at least another case on VJ of someone who got the O1 on administrative processing for ever. An important academic who was hired to chair a department at an university.  He also tried an H1B and the same happened. As far as I know, he is still waiting, and has been waiting for like 8 months if not more.

 

3- As I said, filing again will just hurt your case. Once USCIS reaffirms the case the consulate has to consider it again. Doing another petition is not going to change their minds and it will probably get refused again. 

 

4. If you had missed something, USCIS would have asked for an RFE

 

 

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I think the OP was referring to the London embassy changing location, not trying to go to a different embassy

August 2000: We start e-mailing. I'm in Bosnia, she's in Florida

October 29th 2000: She sends me e-mail asking if I would marry her

October 29th 2000(5 seconds later): I say yes

November 2000: She sends me tickets to Orlando for when I get back

December 6th 2000: Return from Bos

December 11th 2000: Fly to Orlando, she meets me at airport

December 22nd 2000: I fly back to UK

January 3rd 2001: She flies to UK (Good times)

Mid February 2001: Pregnancy test Positive

Mid February 2001: She flies back to US

March 2001: Miscarriage, I fly to US on first flight I can get

May 2001: I leave US before my 90 days are up

June 2001: I fly back to US, stopped at airport for questioning as I had only just left

September 2001: Pregnancy test Positive again

September 2001: She falls sick, I make decision to stay to look after her as I am afraid I may have problems getting back in.

April 16th 2002: Our son is born, we start getting stuff together for his passport

March 6th 2003: We leave US for UK as family

Early April 2003: Family troubles make her return to US, I ask Embassy in London about possibilities of returning to US

April 16th 2003: London Embassy informs me that I will be banned from the Visa Waiver Program for 10 years, my little boys first birthday

June 13th 2006: I-129f sent

August 11th 2006: NOA1 Recieved

After our relationship breaks down she admits to me that she had never bothered to start the application process

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10 hours ago, jan22 said:

Nope....his last post referred to arranging a vIsa interview at a "different embassy", one that wasn't as "problematic" as London.

You are correct, I hadn't seen that sentence

August 2000: We start e-mailing. I'm in Bosnia, she's in Florida

October 29th 2000: She sends me e-mail asking if I would marry her

October 29th 2000(5 seconds later): I say yes

November 2000: She sends me tickets to Orlando for when I get back

December 6th 2000: Return from Bos

December 11th 2000: Fly to Orlando, she meets me at airport

December 22nd 2000: I fly back to UK

January 3rd 2001: She flies to UK (Good times)

Mid February 2001: Pregnancy test Positive

Mid February 2001: She flies back to US

March 2001: Miscarriage, I fly to US on first flight I can get

May 2001: I leave US before my 90 days are up

June 2001: I fly back to US, stopped at airport for questioning as I had only just left

September 2001: Pregnancy test Positive again

September 2001: She falls sick, I make decision to stay to look after her as I am afraid I may have problems getting back in.

April 16th 2002: Our son is born, we start getting stuff together for his passport

March 6th 2003: We leave US for UK as family

Early April 2003: Family troubles make her return to US, I ask Embassy in London about possibilities of returning to US

April 16th 2003: London Embassy informs me that I will be banned from the Visa Waiver Program for 10 years, my little boys first birthday

June 13th 2006: I-129f sent

August 11th 2006: NOA1 Recieved

After our relationship breaks down she admits to me that she had never bothered to start the application process

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Well there is a Consulate in N Ireland, perhaps that is what he meant, the Embassy does not deal with visa's.

 

You presumably paid big bucks to a LAwyer that specialises in O1's, I would take their guidance.

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4 hours ago, Boiler said:

Well there is a Consulate in N Ireland, perhaps that is what he meant, the Embassy does not deal with visa's.

 

You presumably paid big bucks to a LAwyer that specialises in O1's, I would take their guidance.

????? 

There is no US Consulate in Northern Ireland. (There is in Edinburgh, but it doesn't process visas.)  And, the Embassy in London does process visas.  So, I'm not sure what you mean by your first statement.  

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