****hole Immigrants

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

2 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Assumes you know who or what Archie Bunker is.

That should have been on your Naturalization test.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

6 hours ago, Brother Hesekiel said:

President Trump is not a skilled speaker, nor is he a politician. He doesn't decide what to say based on polls. He opens his mouth and often speaks like a blue collar dude does, whenever he feels like it.

He ran his campaign on the premise to make America great again and to get a hold on illegal immigration and the abuse of legal immigration, primarily the H1-B visas.

 

America was truly great, up to about 1965, when the INA of 1965 changed the US immigration system dramatically, and not to the better.
Prior to 1965, immigrants to the United States were primarily Europeans, highly skilled craftsmen and merchants. They came from a culture similar to that of the United States, had flush toilets, and knew how to use them. Those people wanted to assimilate and contribute to the country.

 

After 1965, everyone from anywhere on the plant, ****hole countries included, could start chain immigration, import their family members to the US, and many did like there's no tomorrow. Waiting time for the Philippines for the F4 family preference category is now 24 years, and for Mexico for the F3 family preference category 18 years. It's that long because citizens of those countries abused the system.

Unfortunately, many of those fresh immigrants from ****hole countries are uneducated and/or unskilled. They compete for minimum wage jobs and thus keep wages down. They also put a strain on the social system. Some immigrants come from countries were defecating in the streets is standard, and I even witnessed this when I visited India again in 2016. Some immigrants come from a society where marrying your family friend's 12 year-old daughter is perfectly acceptable, or where killing a wife who strayed is accepted.

 

None of these immigrants benefits "America" in any way, shape, or form. Thus the President's desire to switch this country's immigration system to a merit-based one, following the lead of almost every other civilized nation. In the UK there' no chain immigration, nor is there co-sponsorship. The requirements for sponsorship are much higher. Try to immigrate to Australia or, God forbid, Japan, and see how difficult that is. Try to do it as an unskilled worker and it becomes impossible.

 

So President Trump said what many of Americans think. Saying this out loud is not what a politician would have done. But again, he's not a politician, nor did his supporters vote for him because he's just a beautiful speaker. He isn't. They voted for him because he says it like it is, no matter how politically incorrect it may be in a society that tries to be offended whenever possible.

I am glad this view of America and Immigration is passing away.  Thank you for articulating the reasons why I detest  UnAmerican views like this.  

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[Boiler 45,525]

6 hours ago, Brother Hesekiel said:

President Trump is not a skilled speaker, nor is he a politician. He doesn't decide what to say based on polls. He opens his mouth and often speaks like a blue collar dude does, whenever he feels like it.

He ran his campaign on the premise to make America great again and to get a hold on illegal immigration and the abuse of legal immigration, primarily the H1-B visas.

 

America was truly great, up to about 1965, when the INA of 1965 changed the US immigration system dramatically, and not to the better.
Prior to 1965, immigrants to the United States were primarily Europeans, highly skilled craftsmen and merchants. They came from a culture similar to that of the United States, had flush toilets, and knew how to use them. Those people wanted to assimilate and contribute to the country.

 

After 1965, everyone from anywhere on the plant, ****hole countries included, could start chain immigration, import their family members to the US, and many did like there's no tomorrow. Waiting time for the Philippines for the F4 family preference category is now 24 years, and for Mexico for the F3 family preference category 18 years. It's that long because citizens of those countries abused the system.

Unfortunately, many of those fresh immigrants from ****hole countries are uneducated and/or unskilled. They compete for minimum wage jobs and thus keep wages down. They also put a strain on the social system. Some immigrants come from countries were defecating in the streets is standard, and I even witnessed this when I visited India again in 2016. Some immigrants come from a society where marrying your family friend's 12 year-old daughter is perfectly acceptable, or where killing a wife who strayed is accepted.

 

None of these immigrants benefits "America" in any way, shape, or form. Thus the President's desire to switch this country's immigration system to a merit-based one, following the lead of almost every other civilized nation. In the UK there' no chain immigration, nor is there co-sponsorship. The requirements for sponsorship are much higher. Try to immigrate to Australia or, God forbid, Japan, and see how difficult that is. Try to do it as an unskilled worker and it becomes impossible.

 

So President Trump said what many of Americans think. Saying this out loud is not what a politician would have done. But again, he's not a politician, nor did his supporters vote for him because he's just a beautiful speaker. He isn't. They voted for him because he says it like it is, no matter how politically incorrect it may be in a society that tries to be offended whenever possible.

Sometimes stating the very obvious is necessary, there will be some whose comprehension still fails.

 

Amusingly the top comment on the Graun thread said something pretty similar:

 

FFC800 

6h ago 

8485

There's a big difference between the economic context of the 19th century and today, particularly in an expansionist 'uninhabited' (the Indians didn't count in the minds of the settlers) country.

In the 19th and early 20th centuries, as for almost the entirety of history before that, productivity was limited by the availability of labour. The basic necessities of a nation - food production, mostly - were done in a labour intensive way. Infrastructure was built manually. Manufacturing and other industries still used large amounts of labour. So you could improve your country economically by bringing in lots of people, even low skilled ones. On the other side of the coin, there was little to nothing in terms of a welfare state and universal service provision, so bringing people in had little direct cost, and housing and land was still cheap and widely available, so expanding towns and cities didn't have much resistance.

Almost none of those things have been true since about 1980. Agriculture is highly mechanised, and that which isn't happens abroad and we import the goods, because that's cheaper than paying for the labour domestically. Infrastructure building, and other construction, is also mechanised - the M40 wasn't dug out by Irish navvies, and construction sites have far fewer people than before. Manufacturing is highly automated, or outsourced. Welfare states and service provision have vastly expanded in the western world since WW2, so every extra person has a significant cost to the host country (particularly if they start off poor). And in some places (including some parts of the US), housing and land are scarce and expensive, so adding more demand to those markets does have a serious negative impact.

This is why countries wanted mass migration in the 19th century and early 20th century, and why they don't today. (The UK, in deliberately encouraging mass immigration for labour intensive jobs in the 1950s, missed the boat and is still paying the social price for that mistake - within a decade or two, most of the jobs they brought people in to do had been automated or outsourced, and Commonwealth-origin groups still have poor economic participation.) It is not just because Trump is in charge; any Republican would have had similar immigration policies, even if they wouldn't have been making crass tweets about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/12/america-great-migrants-shithole-countries-america-donald-trump

 

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[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

24 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

I am glad this view of America and Immigration is passing away.  Thank you for articulating the reasons why I detest  UnAmerican views like this.  

This view is not in American at all it is the truth. I don't want my kids to grow up having to worry about FGM or having to defecate in the streets due to lack of sanitation. This view is also why he was voted in to office because a majority of Average Americans feel that way and feel that we are at the cusp of losing our identity and what made us Great. This is all in favor of Multiculturalism, Illegals before Citizens, and being politically correct.  Notice I did not say that we don't need to stop being a melting pot. 

 

If you get out of your bubble then you would see this.

 

 

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[yuna628 9,676]

14 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

This view is not in American at all it is the truth. I don't want my kids to grow up having to worry about FGM or having to defecate in the streets due to lack of sanitation. This view is also why he was voted in to office because a majority of Average Americans feel that way and feel that we are at the cusp of losing our identity and what made us Great. This is all in favor of Multiculturalism, Illegals before Citizens, and being politically correct.  

 

If you get out of your bubble then you would see this.

 

 

It is un-American, and is the antithesis of anything that it means to be American. It is nothing that this republic stands for. If you feel you've lost your identity,  as a so-called average American, perhaps you are doing something wrong. America never stopped being great. While accusing others of being inside a bubble, you need to first step outside your own. How would you feel if the President said something like that about your wife, your children, you or your family? That she was less of something, just because of the country she came from, or the color of her skin, or the poorness of her country? Not based upon the merits of whom she is as a person, and given equal opportunity as your ancestors were. Because THAT is what our country stands for, as Reagan put it ''a shining city on a hill'' so that all persons of all colors, creeds, and countries - no matter their wealth or economic status - can make something of themselves as equals under the eyes of the law - FREE men and women. We are the bastion of opportunity - and that if a person is given such opportunities and a chance to achieve, they can achieve life, liberty, and happiness.. The best of us do not come from the richest, the best of us come from all over the world, no matter their backgrounds - just as our ancestors did. I'm sorry you live in fear of your kids having to poo on the streets of America. It's a strange fear, but everybody has a phobia I guess.

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[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

It is un-American, and is the antithesis of anything that it means to be American. It is nothing that this republic stands for. If you feel you've lost your identity,  as a so-called average American, perhaps you are doing something wrong. America never stopped being great. While accusing others of being inside a bubble, you need to first step outside your own. How would you feel if the President said something like that about your wife, your children, you or your family? That she was less of something, just because of the country she came from, or the color of her skin, or the poorness of her country? Not based upon the merits of whom she is as a person, and given equal opportunity as your ancestors were. I'm sorry you live in fear of your kids having to poo on the streets of America. It's a strange fear, but everybody has a phobia I guess.

I don't have a fear of them doing that but I have a fear of what that means, bc it means that we have slipped so far back that we don't have clean sanitation. 

I live outside of a bubble and what I said is felt by many many people. My wife came here on a fiance visa and not under a DV or any other type of visa. Which I think that's what he meant it he said it was by meaning " why do we keep admitting people with no skills on a nonfamily based visa?" I don't know what he said and if he said it at all. 

 

I did not say that we have lost our identity I said that we are on the cusp of losing it in favor of being Multicultural and how a fair number of people on the Left think that everything America stands for is wrong, or that inherently it is a racist country and it needs to be changed. I have heard both of those arguments from the Left. I am all for being a melting pot but we do not need to change to fit some narrative of what the USA should be.

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Meanwhile, sick people are been thrown out on the streets by hospitals. 

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1 minute ago, -Trinity- said:

Meanwhile, sick people are been thrown out on the streets by hospitals. 

That has been happening alot longer than just the last couple of years. Los Vegas used to kick out them out of the hospital and give them a bus ticket to Los Angeles 

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14 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I don't have a fear of them doing that but I have a fear of what that means, bc it means that we have slipped so far back that we don't have clean sanitation. 

I live outside of a bubble and what I said is felt by many many people. My wife came here on a fiance visa and not under a DV or any other type of visa. Which I think that's what he meant it he said it was by meaning " why do we keep admitting people with no skills on a nonfamily based visa?" I don't know what he said and if he said it at all. 

 

I did not say that we have lost our identity I said that we are on the cusp of losing it in favor of being Multicultural and how a fair number of people on the Left think that everything America stands for is wrong, or that inherently it is a racist country and it needs to be changed. I have heard both of those arguments from the Left. I am all for being a melting pot but we do not need to change to fit some narrative of what the USA should be.

The Appalacia may offer the type of sanitation issues you're thinking of perhaps?

By definition, Trump and his followers want to change the USA into the narrative of what they think the USA should be. My answer to that is, America never stopped being what it was meant to be to begin with. When Paul Ryan weakly acknowledges the comments the President made and then lightly thinks back to his own Irish ancestors, people will rightly accuse him of not coming out forcefully enough, but to some degree he is right. This is cyclical. There was a day when every class of immigrant coming into our country in history was accused of the same things I see on this very forum and coming out of the President's mouth. Dirty, uneducated, poor, filthy, strange religion, language, and culture, diseased masses - that the current social class were terrified of destroying the USA. How ever did we manage? And without them, where would we be now? Everything you talk about towards current immigrants is the same thing our ancestors collectively went through. America is, and always has been multi-cultural. We celebrate our own heritages and cultures uniquely, in our own American way. They shape and change our society, they invent, they grow our society into the grand experiment our founders always wanted (heck even pre-colonies wanted it just didn't know how).

 

My Irish and German ancestors came from the places and conditions our President would consider his chosen choice of expletive. My great grandmother who came to Ellis Island from her tiny island nation, not too far from Haiti - also much the same.

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4 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

That has been happening alot longer than just the last couple of years. Los Vegas used to kick out them out of the hospital and give them a bus ticket to Los Angeles 

I know, that's why I'm mentioning it. There is much to improve still, but yet I constantly hear that America was a great country untill the last decades. And immigrants are blamed for it, at least that's what I understand from a previous poster.

Edited January 12, 2018 by -Trinity-

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

7 hours ago, yuna628 said:

The Appalacia may offer the type of sanitation issues you're thinking of perhaps?

By definition, Trump and his followers want to change the USA into the narrative of what they think the USA should be. My answer to that is, America never stopped being what it was meant to be to begin with. When Paul Ryan weakly acknowledges the comments the President made and then lightly thinks back to his own Irish ancestors, people will rightly accuse him of not coming out forcefully enough, but to some degree he is right. This is cyclical. There was a day when every class of immigrant coming into our country in history was accused of the same things I see on this very forum and coming out of the President's mouth. Dirty, uneducated, poor, filthy, strange religion, language, and culture, diseased masses - that the current social class were terrified of destroying the USA. How ever did we manage? Everything you talk about towards current immigrants is the same thing our ancestors collectively went through. America is, and always has been multi-cultural. We celebrate our own heritages and cultures uniquely, in our own American way. They shape and change our society, they invent, they grow our society into the grand experiment our founders always wanted (heck even pre-colonies wanted it just didn't know how).

 

My Irish and German ancestors came from the places and conditions our President would consider his chosen choice of expletive. My great grandmother who came to Ellis Island from her tiny island nation, not too far from Haiti - also much the same.

Did I mention anything about how we should not be a melting pot? No, I didn't say anything at all about not being a melting pot. My main sticking point is how to a fair number of the Left we need to forget everything that has made America great and embrace the idea that America is racist. I love that the USA is a melting pot of different cultures but we should not forget who we are and where we country has come from to fit some stupid narrative coming from the Left.  

 

You are probably right about some parts of Appalachia and I bet you have never been to Appalachia. So don't try to act like having a out house is standard here in the USA bc it's not, not even in the South anymore. Also having immigrants from poor conditions that came here 100 years ago is far different than this day an age 

7 hours ago, elmcitymaven said:

 

 

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[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

If only Trump and his minions would be educated enough to realize that African immigrants, once given the chance to climb out of war torn countries and countries ruined by 
corrupt dictators, rise to the top with more and higher degrees than Americans, they would realize that this diversity is a big plus to what is the USA. A plus in tax dollars,
in innovation and entrepreneurship, in small business in our communities and science and in the pure and simple awesomeness of the diverse cultural enrichment itself.
But they can't see past color and preconceived ideas. I knew that sooner or later African countries would be next as target, I posted it here on VJ and I was right.
No surprise ....Trump was sued for discrimination by the government and he has not changed.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/02/trump-fbi-files-discrimination-case-235067

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html

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Just now, cyberfx1024 said:

I am on my phone or I would. Not being lazy 

I'd love to say but I am mindful of my obligations under the TOS not to attack other posters directly.  

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12 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

I know, that's why I'm mentioning it. There is much to improve still, but yet I constantly hear that America was a great country untill the last decades. And immigrants are blamed for it, at least that's what I understand from a previous poster.

Because previously hard working jobs like construction workers could provide a man good living for his family, or lower wage jobs went to the young and just starting out for a starting part in the job market. Now they are taken up by illegals who have also driven down the wages given to legal immigrants and citizens. So it has overall hurt the country

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

4 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

If only Trump and his minions would be educated enough to realize that African immigrants, once given the chance to climb out of war torn countries and countries ruined by 
corrupt dictators, rise to the top with more and higher degrees than Americans, they would realize that this diversity is a big plus to what is the USA. A plus in tax dollars,
in innovation and entrepreneurship, in small business in our communities and science and in the pure and simple awesomeness of the diverse cultural enrichment itself.
But they can't see past color and preconceived ideas. I knew that sooner or later African countries would be next as target, I posted it here on VJ and I was right.
No surprise ....Trump was sued for discrimination by the government and he has not changed.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/02/trump-fbi-files-discrimination-case-235067

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html

This is correct on average that Africans are very industrious to say the least. I have met many stand up individuals who are African and business owners. 

 

My comments are to any race or country/continent but a overall statement fyi.